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Topic 27 of 92: Geomagnetism

Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (15:17) | World Builder (MarciaH)
From Ley Lines to compasses the earth affects all creatures thereon.
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 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 1 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (15:20) * 1 lines 
 
LeyLines, Feng Shui, polarization. Copper bracelets with magnets in them. Please let us discuss the topic from the lunctic fringe to the deadly seiously scademic.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 2 of 235: S B Robinson  (SBRobinson) * Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (16:52) * 4 lines 
 
OK, Marcia. I'm here... and i still have no idea what leylines are.
educate me please. :)




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 Response 3 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (17:54) * 31 lines 
 
Welcome, EsBee. Happy to oblige even though Maggie is the one with them running near her house. Mind you, I deal with scientific and proven stuff usually, but this fascinates me. So, here goes: In the early 1920's Alfred Watkins wrote a book called The Old Straight Track. One day, when he was out riding his horse across the countryside, he paused on a hill. He noticed that the entire landscape was crossed by glowing network of lines standing out like golden wires, intersecting at the sites of churches, old stones and other places of traditional sanctity.

History of Ley Hunting
The story of how, in the early 20th century, a Hereford miller suddenly realised that all around the countryside ancient sites,
monuments, earthworks and other features could be shown to be arranged or placed in alignments, is a fascinating one. It
resulted in the development of a view of prehistoric society markedly different to that held previously.
The man was a native of Hereford, one Alfred Watkins. Having lived his whole life in the Herefordshire countryside, he
knew it and its people intimately, and was interested in the history and folklore of the county, much of it being learnt from
the village folk and farmers that he met. He was a leading figure in the local natural history society, the Woolhope Club, and
a well-known County Councillor and magistrate. One interest that was put to good use when he came to write up his
discovery was photography; Watkins was a pioneer in this field, inventing an exposure meter that was for forty-five years or
more universally recognised as the beginner's sure guide to correct exposure.
On 30th June 1921, Alfred Watkins was at Blackwardine, and was looking at a map with no particular object in mind when
he noticed an alignment that passed over some hilltops and various ancient sites. All of a sudden, there occurred what can
only be called a flash of insight or a revelation, and the features that he was so familiar with in the landscape became
linked in a whole system. Alien Watkins in a biography of his father describes how his father's mind was "...flooded with a
rush of images forming one coherent plan. The scales fell from his eyes and he saw that over many long years of
prehistory, all trackways were in straight lines marked out by experts on a sighting system. The whole plan of the Old
Straight Track stood suddenly revealed".

Alfred Watkins later described this plan:
Imagine a fairy chain stretched from mountain peak to mountain peak, as far as the eye could reach, and paid
out till it touched the high places of the earth at a number of ridges, banks and knowls. Then visualise a mound,
circular earthwork, or clump of trees, planted on these high points, and in low points in the valley, other mounds
ringed with water to be seen from a distance. Then great standing stones brought to mark the way at intervals,
and on a bank leading up to a mountain ridge or down to a ford the track cuts so deep so as to form a guiding
notch in the skyline as you come up. In a bwlch or mountain pass the road cut deeply to show as a notch afar
off. Here and there, and at two ends of the way, a beaconfire used to lay out the track. With ponds dug on the
line, or streams banked up into "flashes" to form reflecting points on the beacon track so it might be checked
when at least once a year a beacon was fired on the traditional day. All these works exactly on the sighting line...



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 Response 4 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (18:01) * 20 lines 
 
They were called "ley" (pronounced lee) lines because they passed through so many villages with names ending in "ley" indicative only that the Danes had names the place long before.

There are also E line around the entire earth:
http://www.surreycmc.gov.uk/outreach/roundwld.htm
E-line round the world!
When plotted on a globe, the E-line goes through the immediate areas of some very significant places. One is Mount
Everest, the highest mountain in the world. Its Tibetan name "Chomolungma" means "Goddess mother of the world".
Crossing the equator, the line goes right through the middle of Australia, and seems to go through the location of Ayers
Rock. To the local tribes of Australian aborigines, Ayers Rock is a mount of the gods, totally enveloped in legends and
myths. Caves, shelters and other minor features of the Rock are associated with memories of cultural heroes of the Dream
Time, and sacred rites continually make this time operative in the present. The first and last rays of the sun seem to set the
rock on fire with spectacular colour changes, and even for white Australians a trip there takes on the dimension of a
pilgrimage.
The line continues through the southern tip of South Island, New Zealand, then swings north again to go through the area of
the famous Lines of Nazca in Peru. Lines run with bullet-like straightness across the pampa for mile after mile, and can
only be appreciated properly from the air. A number of patterns and shapes are among the lines, including birds and
spiders.





 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 5 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (23:42) * 1 lines 
 
Ok all you leyline followers. I'm gonna go hunt you a map so we can all follow them.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 6 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (23:54) * 8 lines 
 


The E-line, which we had been following across Surrey and Kent, goes through the chalk figure of the Giant, near Cerne
Abbas when extended westwards. We found the line as wide and powerful as usual, much wider than this line plotted by
Eileen on the aerial photograph which appeared in "The Ley Hunter's Companion" and "The Ley Guide", by Paul
Devereux, which represents its centre. Note however that it skirts the Trendle (or Frying Pan) earthwork near the Giant. The
real line would take in the whole of the Trendle. The other line is the one found by Paul Devereux.



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 7 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (23:56) * 2 lines 
 
This map shows the Eline and the euy ines they were following in the comments above:



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 8 of 235: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (08:50) * 5 lines 
 
Fascinating Marcia, thanks!

I have just returned from Santiago de Compostela, Spain (where the Apostle St. James is buried). As you know there is the famous pilgrimage from Lourdes to Santiago which pilgrims have been doing since the Crusades. These pilgrims all travel with a scallop shell which they hold towards the Sun when the Sun is at a certain angle and a line appears from the light. It deliniates the Western line that takes them to Santiago. Botticelli knew of this when he painted Venus on the scallop shell.

These lines are also the ones that birds follow during their migrations. Homing pigeons have been very useful in times of war because of it as well.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 9 of 235: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (10:48) * 5 lines 
 
Here is a link with the info.:

http://www.iranon.org/jacobeo/en/index.htm




 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 10 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (11:32) * 1 lines 
 
Moon, thanks! Indeed, these lines of magnetism do exist. Thanks for pointing out a very old and very verifiable one.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 11 of 235: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (16:30) * 1 lines 
 
Mmm thanks for creating this Marcia. The info is fascinating. Apparently most of our (English) really old churches are built on ley lines. There is certainly something going on and I suspect that there is a rational explanation if we but knew.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 12 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (17:33) * 1 lines 
 
Mayhap we need to learn the knowledge we have forgotten...It is fascinating!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 13 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (17:50) * 1 lines 
 
I know zip about this topic, but here goes: It concerns the magnetic lines and water, lots of water, i.e., the Pacific Ocean, how did the Polynesians and Melanesians ever find those islands in all that watery expanse? Granted New Zealand is pretty big, but some of the islands the settled are literally tiny specks of land. Did they just set out and hoped they hit land before their supplies ran out? Did they follow birds? Or did they somehow discern oceanic ley lines?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 14 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (18:10) * 3 lines 
 
The Vikings used polarizing sunstones to keep them on course. The Polynesians used the Sun in the day and stars by night and during storms tried to keep on course by lashing the rudder in place. They reinact this epic expansion almost yearly. Please check this url http://www.kitv.com/Voyage.html

It is graphics intensive and takes a while to download but it tells the story better than I could. Will hunt for more things from the Polynesian Voyaging Society, the parent group of these voyages. Thanks for bringing it up.


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 Response 15 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (18:13) * 2 lines 
 
This link is even better: The Polynesian Voyaging Society has maps and all sorts of good information on the voyage underway even as wel write:
http://leahi.kcc.hawaii.edu/org/pvs/


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 Response 16 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (21:37) * 7 lines 
 
this is way cool. do the ley lines cross through easter island as well?

oh, and the giant is fascinating. i watched a show about that on discovery. it's amazing how big he really is!

and the spiders and such are equally as fascinating. suppose we link this topic with physical phenomenon in paraspring?

(and how did you get your globe to show up?)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 17 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (22:32) * 4 lines 
 
The E line does. Gotta post a E line map when I find one. I think we need tolink it but since this is already established, it will create a new one on your conference just as collecting rocks and Jurassic Park did here.

My globe on the cover page? I discovered it was in the cfconfig (hit the you are host in this conf to get there). Scroll down till you hit the big empty
boxes in which we write commands. I found the /~cfadm file which had the globe in it and since I had downloaded it my own files, I ftp'd it to my /marcia files then went to the web got the location of the globe went back to that box and pasted the new address and deleted the old one. Hit the "save this file" or whatever it says..and voila! Need help? I can get into your cfconfig too and help you!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 18 of 235: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (08:12) * 1 lines 
 
Now you have me wondering about the Bermuda Triangle and the magnetic force found there. Is it also on one of these lines?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 19 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (12:11) * 1 lines 
 
There are several of these "triangles" around the world, and they are, as I recall, considered "magnetic anomolies." Let me to some research and get back to you. Thanks for bringing it up.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 20 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (12:41) * 12 lines 
 
Two of the several theories of the Bermuda Triangle
from:http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/warminster/167/theori.html

Theory #5 - Boom!
This is a theory by the US Navy. The investigation centers on the possibility of electro-magnetic gravitational and atmospheric disturbances that might be possible for disintegrating craft. The Lost Patrol reported seeing a large ball of fire in the skies. Could 5 planes collide and then joined by a sixth?
The investigation believes that the fireball was could have been created by the impact of the patrol and it's rescue ship with a disintegrating electro-magnetic force.

Theory #6 - Magnetic North
This is one of the most famous Bermuda Triangle theories. It has basis on the following (high school student)physics:
A compass DOES NOT always point to the true north but rather to the magnetic north. This phenomenon is referred to as compass variation. As a sailor or pilots circumnavigates the earth this variation changes, at times as much as
20 degrees. The navigator must always compensate for this error he may find himself far from where he thinks he is. One interesting note (that forms the basis for this theory) is that there are two places that point to the magnetic north: the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Sea area. There have been reports of pilots saying that they were confused as to direction. A typical example is the reply from Lt. Charles Taylor on Flight 19 when he was asked by the radio tower
as to his position. His reply was "We are not sure... We seem to be lost..", then a few minutes later "We cannot be sure which way is west... everything is wrong... strange... we cannot be sure of any direction." Or could this simply be a disorientation in a man's own mind? Hard to say.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 21 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (20:51) * 1 lines 
 
hmmmm..... (about linking it with physical phenom)


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 Response 22 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (20:57) * 1 lines 
 
Yup, and I cannot do it until I can get in there via telnet (of which they supposedly have allowed Terry one account - but I see 4 logins via telnet) I tried to telnet in from Hawaii on Line and did. But, when I try to login, I get the usual "login invalid." Either we will have to wait for one of them to do it or wait till Terry finds a way to grant me telnet access to do it myself. *sigh*


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 Response 23 of 235: MarkG  (MarkG) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (06:16) * 1 lines 
 
I believe certain points on the Earth have been discovered where in a range of about 200 yards, a compass needle will point south, for reasons that are not clear to the scientists who have tested this. From memory (I read this article years ago) one spot is in the Arizona desert, and five such spots have been claimed in mainland USA. The Bermuda Triangle could have been providing (maybe only temporarily?) a larger form of such a phenomenon, I suppose.


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 Response 24 of 235: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (08:16) * 3 lines 
 
(Wolf), (about linking it with physical phenom)

This topic gets better and better. That is a great idea. I hope you are able to crack that tel net access, Marcia.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 25 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (12:10) * 4 lines 
 
Mark, you are correct...those magnetic anomolies do it every time. Whenever I flew to Britain over the pole I hung a floating compass from the tray in front of me and watched it wander out of control for 5 hours as we were near the north pole. It must have been very difficult to navigate in the early days. Little wonder the early Norsemen used polarizing stones to set their course.
I'll put the anomolies on my "look up" list.

Moon, it will happen...just have to wait till Terry gets the Telnet accounts figured out or someone has the time to do it.


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 Response 26 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (14:46) * 2 lines 
 
Woo Hoo, Wolfie, we are linked by the magic of our personal magician *grin*
*Hugs*


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 Response 27 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (15:04) * 1 lines 
 
this is great!!! thanks magic man!! *hugs*


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 Response 28 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (15:32) * 22 lines 
 
Anne Hale promised to post in here but until she gets around to doing so I shall post some things she sent me about ley lines in UK were she grew up:

I shall if you
give me the name of the topic post some more stuff on Ley lines - I visited
once during my studies of the subject an Iron Age Fort on top of the North
Downs near Leith Hill - the highest point in the South of England all of
965feet!! The interest is that 9 parishes met at that point - all finishing
in a narrow point and radiating out into the flat lands below. The whole
area around my home town is so ancient. Ashtead was a small Roman village
with a tile factory, my home town Leatherhead was called Leddrede at one
point in time and the historical society there has much to offer - maybe I
will check to see if it is on the net. Boxhill of Emma fame too has some
very interesting history - a man was buried upside down at the top many,
many years ago. The walkway along the White Downs just a mile or two away
from Boxhill is certain to contain Ley Lines - or at least that is what we
believed when we travelled along it.
my stamping ground is Surrey, Hampshire and
Sussex and sometimes Kent. Denis' home town Ammanford in Dyfed has some
rather scary standing stones - you get the strangest feeling there.
I will try to get him to talk on the Ammanford Standing stones -
they are in a circle and of course his part of Wales is full of druidical
places. They are still Welsh speaking there and sometimes quite fey



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 Response 29 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (16:36) * 3 lines 
 
Marcia, thanks for the Polynesian Voyaging Society links. Navigation by using astronomical bodies, shows a rather high degree of cultural sophistocation. I took an anthropology class which compared and contrasted 3 highly developed pre-literate societies: the Buganda of East Africa, the Tahitians, and the Hawaiians. The class did not touch on navigation though. I'm still curious if magnetism had some play in Polynesian navigation.

The Giant must have been a bit of a shock to Victorian tourists. Is there another Giant (Rude Man) in Wiltshire, near the Uffingtion Horse and Stonehenge? Also what is the relationship of ley lines to prehistoric stone constructions,i.e., Stonehenge, Avebury, Carnac (Kerrec) in Brittany, and the strange stone constructs on Malta.


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 Response 30 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (16:44) * 3 lines 
 
Ah, now you are getting to my most favorite subject - Things Megalithic. They Are stone, after all! More on this in a moment...

If you scroll down on the Poly Voyaging Soc site you will see the link to the Hawaiian Star chart by which they navigated. It is difficult to use magnetism over that much water. I will check it out, but I think they did not use it. They had NO iron whatever!


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 Response 31 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (16:49) * 2 lines 
 
Oh, yes! The Victorians "modified" the giant and it was only through modern techniques that the original specifics were re-discovered. However, his 12'
(3.65 M) long "member" is longer than originally. It now extends to his navel which it did not originally. There are several fake giants (and white horses, as well), but there is a red giant (have to look this one up for you and get back to you - I have dozens of books on these subjects!)now densely overgrown in the woods in mid-England.


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 Response 32 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (22:00) * 6 lines 
 
Lest you think all Ley Lines are in every place but USA, check this Seattle, Washington map. A larger map is available http://www.geo.org/qa.htm#tof




Has anyone here read about Rennes-le-Chateau? Want to discuss that, as well?


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 Response 33 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (22:14) * 17 lines 
 
From http://www.geo.org/dowse1.htm#4

Primary water is a
totally below-ground hydrological cycle and therefore is not affected by drought.
Primary water is found at most ancient monuments and temples. Usually, there is a water
dome or even a well or a spring at the center of the monument. A water spring, the place
where water is available for use from the surface, is a natural spot for building a sacred
place. By marking the site, or distinguishing it from other places, the monument becomes
"holy ground."
The close relationship of water lines and springs with ancient monuments was established
by M. Louis Merle and Reginald Allender Smith in the 1930s. Both these men were
dowsers, or diviners of water; they could locate underground streams and springs without
using scientific instruments. Merle established that ancient monuments were situated over
the crossing of underground streams. Smith went further to say that springs are constantly
present at the centers of stone circles and earthworks. This discovery indicated that the
selection of sites for ancient monuments was not arbitrary, but a conscious decision based
upon the presence of underground water.


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 Response 34 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (23:11) * 1 lines 
 
How about sacred geometry...?


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 Response 35 of 235: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sat, Feb 19, 2000 (13:31) * 10 lines 
 
Lest you think all Ley Lines are in every place but USA, check this Seattle,
Now, that might explain the the phenomena known as Bill Gates. ;-)

This discovery indicated that the selection of sites for ancient monuments was not arbitrary, but a conscious decision based upon the presence of underground water.
That is exactly what happened in Bath, when the Romans settled there, they chose it because of the hot springs. The Giant is on the smaller road on the way back to London from Bath which we did and I can tell you it is an amazing site to behold.

Has anyone here read about Rennes-le-Chateau?
It rings a bell, Marcia, please tell us more. :-D




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 Response 36 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb 19, 2000 (14:12) * 5 lines 
 
Aloha Moon...thanks for your comments. I knew there was a good explanation of the phenomenon of Bill Gates. *lol*

You are right about Bath (the origin of that "Saturday night ritual" in so many cowboy movies). In the Spring, there are still well-dressing festivities all over Britain, all of which have some ritual significance. Some really popular ones have been Christianized (as has everything else at Glastronbury.)

Rennes-le-Chateau starred prominently in the book Holy Blood Holy Grail and deals with the Merovingian dynasty in France, the Knights Templar and ultimately with one-world government. The best part of it deals with sacred geometry and ancient things in the landscape along with the best history of early France I have ever read. The book's conclusions are odd at best, but it was intriguing enough that I bought its successor and a third by one of the same authors!


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 Response 37 of 235: lidya maccarthy  (livamago) * Sat, Feb 19, 2000 (19:43) * 1 lines 
 
Congratulations, my dear! This is a great topic, and you are a vast source of knowledge, as usual.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 38 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb 19, 2000 (19:54) * 1 lines 
 
Thank you, and *hugs* for saying so. I always welcome a fellow adventurer into the ancient and esoteric. Please stick around and post.


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 Response 39 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (14:49) * 5 lines 
 
I come here to be informed. As I said I know zip about this subject. Okay, I do know a little, thanks to those posting here. Please let me clarify on the subjects of the Polynesians and magnetism, I thought it might have something to do with birds. Since birds go on massive migrations using magnetic fields, among other things to guide them. That's the theory anyway. But you're right Marcia, it's pretty tough to use magnetism if you have no iron and there's that much water.

Wasn't Bath a holy place to the Celtic inhabitants of Britain before the Romans arrived? They are the hottest springs in Europe. Was Aquae Sulis the Roman name for Bath?

Please let us know what you uncover on the Red Giant.


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 Response 40 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:31) * 6 lines 
 
Polynesian Navigation is ongoing as we speak as the Hokule'a sails for Hilo on the return voyage. Check it out at the Polynesian Vpoyaging Society website. Nearing Islands the Hawaiians used birds for homing in on the terra firma. That and clouds forming over mountain peaks and glows from eruptions.

Any water source in Europe has been revered from time immemorial. In fact, the source of the Seine was a much visited shrine of pilgrimage. Thermal springs were more revered - especially if they were the healing sort. Bath under various names was revered way back into pre-history. Chartre Cathedral was built on a "pagan" shrine so popular to the mother goddess that the only way to stop them coming to visit it was to put the cathedral to a new god over it. Of course, during a later synod, they incorporated the mother goddess concept into
Christianity as the Virgin Mary. (Don't flame my posts - look it up. It was NOT my doing!)

Have discovered the red giant. Everyone knows of the Uffington White Horse...the oldest extant hill figure in Britain. There was supposed to be a lost red horse near Tysoe near Banbury, Warwickshire. Whilst hunting for the horse, S. G. Wildman discovered not a horse, but a whole collection of other figures - what appeared to be a human figure 160'(47 M) in height wielding a whip or rope; a bird with its head pointing upward; behind them was an unidentifiable animal. Below them all was the figure of another animal perhaps 300' (51.44 M) long. They were never excavated, but on contemporary pictures, others were able to discern them from oblique angles. (from "Mysterious Britain" by J&C Bord)


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 Response 41 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:33) * 1 lines 
 
Oh, and you are correct about Aquae Sulis being the Roman name for Bath. Translated, it is water of the Silures, a powerful Keltic tribe in the area.


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 Response 42 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:34) * 1 lines 
 
Chartres was very much an important site to the goddess. Interestingly, until well into the 19th century the moon was referred to as "Notre Dame" in very rural parts of France.


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 Response 43 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:40) * 1 lines 
 
Very interesting! (...and how did that 's' get left off of my Chartres?!) Underneath this civilized and regimented modern facade we wear are the real roots of our knowledge of the earth and what made it special and how to be in tune with it. I hope we can tune in again before all signs and lore are gone and forgotten. However, I hasten to add that the book I cited is of what the Archaeology establishment considers "Lunatic Fringe" and a lot of things they espouse is a bit "out there."


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 Response 44 of 235: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:46) * 28 lines 
 
I posted this in my Mali topic and Marcia has asked for it to be posted here as well. Comments?

Dogon Theory of Creation

The Dogon people are an indigeous tribe who occupy a region in Mali, south of the Sahara Desert in Africa.
They live in the Homburi Mountains near Timbuktu.
They are believed to be of Egyptian descent.
After living in Libya for a time, they settled in Mali, West Africa, bringing with them astronomy legends dating from before 3200 BCE.
In the late 1940s, four of their priests told two French anthropologists of a secret Dogon myths about the star Sirius (8.6 light years from the earth). The priests said that Sirius had a companion star that was invisible to the human eye. They also stated that the star moved in a 50-year elliptical orbit around Sirius, that it was small and incredibly heavy, and that it rotated on its axis.
Sirius - which we now call Sirius A - was not seen through a telescope until 1862 and was not photographed until 1970.

The Dogon name for Sirius B (Po Tolo) consists of the word for star (tolo) and "po," the name of the smallest seed known to them. By this name they describe the star's smallness -- it is, they say, "the smallest thing there is." They also claim that it is "the heaviest star," and white. The Dogon thus attribute to Sirius B its three principle properties as a white dwarf: small, heavy, white.

They go on to say that it has an is elliptical orbit, with Sirius A at one foci of the ellipse (as it is), that the orbital period is 50 years (the actual figure is 50.04 +/- 0.09 years), and that the star rotates on its own axis (it does). The Dogon also describe a third star in the Sirius system, called "Emme Ya" ("Sorghum Female"). In orbit around this star, they say, is a single satellite. To date, Emme Ya has not been identified by astronomers.
In addition to their knowledge of Sirius B, the Dogon mythology includes Saturn's rings, and Jupiter's four major moons. They have four calendars, for the Sun, Moon, Sirius, and Venus, and have long known that planets orbit the sun.
The Dogon say their astronomical knowledge was given to them by the Nommos, amphibious beings sent to Earth from Sirius for the benefit of mankind. The name comes from a Dogon word meaning "to make one drink," and the Nommos are also called Masters of the Water, the Monitors, and the Teachers.

Nommos
The Dogon tells the legend of the Nommos, awful-looking beings who arrived in a vessel along with fire and thunder.
After they arrived here - they put out a reservoir of water onto the Earth then dove into the water.
There are references in the oral traditions, drawings and cuneiform tablets of the Dogons, to human looking beings who have feet but who are portrayed as having a large fish skin running down their bodies.
The Nommos were more fishlike than human, and had to live in water. They were saviors and spiritual guardians: "The Nommo divided his body among men to feed them; that is why it is also said that as the universe "had drunk of his body," the Nommo also made men drink. He gave all his life principles to human beings."
The Nommo was crucified and resurrected and in the future will again visit the Earth, this time in human form. Later he will assume his amphibious form and will rule the world from the waters.
Dogon mythology is known only by a number of their priests, and is a complex system of knowledge. Such carefully guarded secrets would not be divulged to friendly strangers very easily. If the star Emme Ya is eventually discovered in the Sirius system, this would give considerably weight to the Dogon's story.
The Nommos, who could live on land but dwelled mostly in the sea, were part fish, like merfolk (mermaids and mermen). Similar creatures have been noted in other ancient civilizations -- Babylonia's Oannes, Acadia's Ea, Sumer's Enki, and Egypt's goddess Isis. It was from the Nommos that the Dogon claimed their knowledge of the heavens.
The Dogon also claimed that a third star (Emme Ya) existed in the Sirius system. Larger and lighter than Sirius B, this star revolved around Sirius as well. And around it orbited a planet from which the Nommos came. (Sirius A).




 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 45 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:55) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks Maggie! I appreciate that. Shoulda named this topic "Earth Mysteries" but I think we can cover that under the more scholarly guise, anyway. Good stuff we have going in here!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 46 of 235: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (11:51) * 18 lines 
 
(Cheryl), I thought it might have something to do with birds. Since birds go onmassive migrations using magnetic fields, among other things to guide them.
That's the theory anyway. But you're right Marcia, it's pretty tough to use
magnetism if you have no iron and there's that much water.


It is the knowledge of generations that resonate in birds. I
suggest reading Rupert Sheldrake. His New Science of Life and The
Rebirth of Nature. For the explanations.

(Maggie), The Nommo was crucified and resurrected and in the future
will again visit the Earth, this time in human form.


And was he in Israel at the time? Very interesting, Maggie, thanks for posting it here. :-)

They go on to say that it has an is elliptical orbit, with Sirius A at
one foci of the ellipse (as it is), that the orbital period is 50 years
(the actual figure is 50.04 0.09 years),


The Catholic Church has special celebrations for the reconciliation ritual every 50 years too, the year 2000 is one of them. I wonder if there is a connection. The is a private library at the Vatican which is supposed to have the texts to so many mysteries. I would love to see these books.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 47 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (12:08) * 1 lines 
 
Moon, if you ever get into that library, count on my being right behind you in felt slippers so we are not overheard. That Vatican also has the largest collection of Pronography, I understand. Fascinating!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 48 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (19:58) * 1 lines 
 
this is really interesting!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 49 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (21:01) * 1 lines 
 
Wolfie - go check what I just posted in Geo 17. Archaeology. Stone circles. This is where these two topics intersect. Thanks for being interested. It is a cool topic and goes as well with your Paraspring conference as here, don't you think?!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 50 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (17:13) * 3 lines 
 
The merfolk or amphipious beings are noted in several belief systems and folklore, but so are winged beings, what many people consider angels.




 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 51 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (18:34) * 1 lines 
 
Then there are the dragons/worms which inhabited so much of Europe. Somewhere lost in the dim past is the truth back of this lore. And, it is another of my passions.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 52 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (18:48) * 1 lines 
 
That would bring up another subject: metamorphs. Basically it's the werewolf myth, which is pretty much universal in some form or other. It's not always wolves people turn into, depending on the culture in can be bears, foxes, leopards, jaquars, or even coyotes. Interesting that the animals involved are predators. Okay, bears are omnivores and coyotes will scavenge if they have to.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 53 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (19:08) * 4 lines 
 
This is where the linked-to-paraspring comes in. Wolf, are you listening? I believe she has werewolves on her conference:
http://tvnight.org/yapp-bin/restricted/read/paraspring/7/new

I think we're gonna overlap a bunch but that is good...each conference seems to reach different readers. About those morphs, is that how totem animals arose? I am fascinated and know just about nothing about them. Does it involve Shamanism?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 54 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (19:33) * 3 lines 
 
don't totem poles depict territories and families?

we can link the morphism to indians and their animal spirits. without getting high, i'd like to know how to find out what animal my spirit favors. it would be interesting and insightful.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 55 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (19:41) * 1 lines 
 
Hawaiians were really big on household or family gods. These were often shark or turtle or porpoise. Wolf, you are either lupine or delphine connected, it would seem. I seem to be connected to hard stony objects *grin*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 56 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (19:53) * 1 lines 
 
This part of the esoterica in which I am a novice. Please educate!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 57 of 235: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (01:57) * 1 lines 
 
This also links to 'universal stories', in the sense of repeating themes in oral literature. I suppose that corresponds with myths and legends, but I tend to look at them from a linguistic point of view.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 58 of 235: World Builder  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (10:50) * 2 lines 
 
I study them for the knowledge behind them and that takes me into linguistics to find out exactly the words used early on before the meaning got lost in vernacular. It is difficult in the utmost to find these early forms, however.
What choice goodies have you discovered?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 59 of 235: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (13:01) * 1 lines 
 
Mine are collected Mandinka stories. Will Start again in Mali. I have one good one somewhere if I can find it.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 60 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (17:12) * 2 lines 
 
ok, to the person responsible for making this place look spiffy,

HUGS


thank you thank you thank you and i love the new lines!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 61 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (17:29) * 1 lines 
 
I was just going to compliment you on them. Hmmm...there is something about you I just am lacking. Topics on your conference - none on mine...Perhaps I do not yet deserve them. *sniffle* (For those wondering where the bars are, they are on Paraspring conference to which this is linked.)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 62 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (19:41) * 1 lines 
 
? you lost me, sweetie!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 63 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (21:09) * 1 lines 
 
Nah! I was just being a spoiled child (did not get the chance as a little kid). I was just noticing who created your topics and who created mine. *sigh* I seem to be the lone stranger in Geo whereas you had the master creating in yours...(see, told ya! spoiled child...now I'm gonna behave...) *hugs*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 64 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (11:48) * 3 lines 
 
oh! is that all? *grin*

k, they had a show last night on the travel channel (because of miracles like satellite tv, i was unable to watch the grammy's as originally planned) about the giant, the spider, the hummingbird, and did you know about the alien man waving to the sky? there were two shows, one was about the rocks and how they were built. pyramids, the rows and rows of pillars all facing the same direction, etc. very very neat. even heiroglyphics contained people in small capsules like they were flying. way cool. unfortunately, i was way too preoccupied with a craft project to pay complete attention so i hope they show it again.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 65 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (12:45) * 7 lines 
 
Oh, Wolfie, we got stuff time-delayed through the miracle of modern technology so you had to live in a vacuum not to know who wom before it even started...so I spent the evening with Geo and interesting people. (Yup! that's all - mostly...feeling wiser and a little foolish this morning *grin*)

I did not see the program you mention last night, but it sounds suspiciously like some I have seen produced by sensationalists. One giveaway is the people they use for experts. Graham Hancock is great for casual reading, but he is no scientific and objective archaeologist who reports only certainties and not conjectures. I watched part of one I had seen before about the Mayan sarcophagus with the "space man" on the lid. That was on last night and I turned it off and came back to the monitor. *sigh* Btw, I have three books by Hancock and they are fascinating. But, know the facts before you start reading.






 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 66 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (17:17) * 2 lines 
 
My last comment about metamorphs on this board. I would like to apologize to all those of Irish and or Scottish ancestry, and to my own Scotch-Irish forebearers. (I am from central PA, where almost everybody as some German and Scotch-Irish blood.) I didn't mention selkies or horse fairies. The Selkie were the seal people, they came ashore doffed there sealskins and became people. A really charming film dealing with this legend is "The Secret of Roan Inish". The horse fairies were horses and ponies that could become human. So not all the animals were predators. Seals are predatory if you're a fish, but horses are herbavores.
Now back to geomagnetism.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 67 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (18:34) * 2 lines 
 
Piskies (yes, spelled right) are Cornish fairies. Just before they disappear altogether from human view they look like ants. it is Not a good idea to step on ants in Cornwall! (I am English/Scots-Irish/German. Join the crowd!)
Geomagnetism is all about other worldly stuff...after all, ley lines follow them, no?! And, where is the interface between the real world we see and the unseen world? It is very close to the surface in the Avalon/Glastonbury area...! Cheryl, you were right at home here with your post. *smile*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 68 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (21:59) * 3 lines 
 
Geomagnetism and why it is a Good Thing:
Radiation from the sun is deadly stuff to living things and to communications (with which I am getting this information to you). Solar wind is deflected by the Earth's magnetism thusly:



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 69 of 235: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (09:02) * 5 lines 
 
Solar wind is deflected by the Earth's magnetism thusly:
What about the Ozone layer. Does it not help deflect the radiation from the Sun?
Might it also have a magnetic field?

In Ireland I always felt as if I were being watched by fairies, crazy but true. You could almost hear them wisper in the wind.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 70 of 235: Ginny  (vibrown) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (10:55) * 5 lines 
 
Nice graphic!

But the electro-magnetic field of earth doesn't deflect all the particles from the solar wind; if it did we'd never see auroras, right?

Interesting...I've never heard about the fairie legends before (other than Morgan Le Fey). Never heard of leylines before this topic, for that matter. What things I learn from this conference... :-)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 71 of 235: Ginny  (vibrown) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (11:15) * 5 lines 
 
re: back a few posts

Marcia mentioned Rennes-le-Chateau and the book "Holy Blood Holy Grail".

I think I saw a program about this back when I had cable TV (must have been The Learning Channel or Discovery). It involved some theory about the descendants of Christ and the Knights Templars, but I don't remember the details. I do remember thinking it was very odd, and a bit "out there", but I am interested in hearing more about it. Can anyone post any info about this, or some good urls?


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 Response 72 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (11:36) * 0 lines 
 


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 73 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (12:00) * 10 lines 
 
Geomagnetism: Better sources than I on this subject:
http://sec.gsfc.nasa.gov/
http://ub.nmh.ac.uk/
http://geomag.usgs.gov/

Another image for you to ponder:


Rennes-le-Chateau: more in next post...
If you do a web search you will find oodles of off-the-wall stuff...just like the book. But, it is a fascinating read.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 74 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (12:01) * 2 lines 
 
Let's try that image again...



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 75 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (12:37) * 3 lines 
 
Rennes-le-Chateau: The best overview of Holy Blood Holy Grail is found at
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/metis.htm
Her website contains Steve Mizrach's discussion of the book, which is the best on the net. This URl is also part of the Rennes-le-Chateau webring. To me, the most fascinating stuff is not the Merovingian claim to have the blood of Jesus in their veins (thus divine) but the sacred geometry of the entire place and the connection with Poussin's Tomb at Arques painting The Shepherds of Arcadia


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 76 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (12:39) * 1 lines 
 
Oh yes, which brings us full circle because the Merovingians are part of the One world government of which the latter-day Knights Templar (only the best and brightest, not the rank and file...)and the Trilateralists are also part. Read that website and you will be amazed (forget the bogus religious stuff - that is ridiculous in any case!)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 77 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (13:08) * 64 lines 
 
Today's Geomagnetism report from ARRL ( American Radio Relay League)
To give you some idea of what is happening out there right now...

Solar flux and sunspot activity were down last week, but heading
back up. Average solar flux for last week compared to the previous
week was down almost 4 points, and sunspot numbers were off about 28
points. The low point was Friday, February 18, when the three solar
flux measurements for the day were 139.6, 141.1 and 140.4. The noon
measurement of 141.1 is the official reading for the day. Solar
flux is expected to rise, with the projection for Friday through
Tuesday of 197, 197, 200, 200 and 204. Solar flux for the near term
is expected to peak around 205 on Wednesday or Thursday, March 1 and
2, then decline to below 170 by March 9, and bottom out near 130
around March 23 or 24.

Planetary A index has been rising, due to a well-placed coronal hole
streaming charged particles toward the earth. NASA has an
interesting article about this as well as a dramatic photo online at
http://www.spacescience.com/headlines/y2000/ast23feb_2.htm. Also
check http://www.spaceweather.com, which on Thursday had an article
about a gust of solar wind at 1430z on February 24.

The projected planetary A index for Friday through Tuesday is 20,
18, 15, 13 and 10. Conditions may be disturbed again around March 4
and 5, and fairly quiet between March 13-20. Based on the current
solar rotation, disturbed conditions may recur around March 22-23,
and possibly quiet conditions again around March 26-29, although
predictions that far in the future are more of a guess. These
projections are based upon sunspots and coronal holes moving across
the visible solar surface, as the sun rotates relative to earth
every 27.5 days. Various features grow and fade with time, and new
areas appear. Some are oriented toward earth and have a large
effect, while others do not.

The coronal hole that is causing the current geomagnetic disturbance
has been visible for the last seven solar rotations.

Doug Brandon, N6RT wrote to ask about the URL for Cary Oler's Solar
Terrestrial Dispatch web site, which seemed to disappear some time
back. Doug did some detective work, and found that it had moved.
The new site is at http://solar.spacew.com/.

George Jacobs, W3ASK has an interesting item in his propagation
column in the March issue of CQ Magazine concerning equinoctial
propagation. This is about the effect that occurs in spring and
fall seasons when the daylight distributed between the northern and
southern hemisphere is roughly equal, dependent on how close the
date is to the equinox. He says that during March intercontinental
openings on 160-30 meters should peak just before local sunrise and
again at local sunset. 20 meter openings should peak an hour or two
after sunrise and again for an hour or so after sunset. 17-6 meter
intercontinental openings should peak during daylight hours.
Signals on these upper bands are stronger toward the west around and
after sunset, while toward the east they are stronger before noon.
He notes that signals to the south are stronger after sunrise and
again late in the afternoon. W3ASK has a web site at
http://www.gjainc.com/.

Sunspot numbers for February 17 through 23 were 152, 146, 126, 131,
122, 129 and 155 with a mean of 137.3. 10.7 cm flux was 168.4
141.1, 144.8, 153.3, 152.1, 172.3 and 185.1, with a mean of 159.6,
and estimated planetary A indices were 6, 2, 4, 5, 15, 5 and 9, with
a mean of 6.6.



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 78 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (19:08) * 1 lines 
 
last night, i watched a program about the pharoahs (and queen turned king) of egypt. it seems ramses (sp?) was the unnamed pharoah during the mass exodus of the israelites from egypt. he went one on one with God. it was equally as fascinating to learn of the "acting" ruler of egypt in place for her stepson who, by mutual agreement, took the throne and ceremonially called herself king and wore the pharoah's clothing and a beard. she accomplished many things that the male pharoahs could not or would not. after her stepson became pharaoh (upon her death) he decided that she should not be remembered and there was evidence of her name being removed from monuments. funny, she left a message that future generations would know she ruled egypt even though the people of egypt would try to eradicate her memory. i was totally fascinated with the whole thing. would love to visit egypt and see these things for myself.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 79 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (22:42) * 1 lines 
 
I watched that,as well. Most fascinating about the palace intrigues and the intricate marriages arranged with next of kin. They were not subtle aobut removing all traces of Hatshepsut from the heiroglyphs.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 80 of 235: Annette Mercer  (laughingsky) * Sat, Feb 26, 2000 (10:04) * 1 lines 
 
I had seen a similar story about that, a while back. Truly fascinating! Fortunatly for us, not everything about her was destroyed. Seems there is always some forgotten wall, pillar, etc. that reveals another wonderful and mysterious story!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 81 of 235: Gi  (patas) * Sat, Feb 26, 2000 (14:42) * 1 lines 
 
I agree that Hatshepsut is one of the most fascinating pharaohs. Her tomb is magnificent too (I want to see it sometime).


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 82 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb 26, 2000 (21:02) * 1 lines 
 
(me too...but perhaps in another life when I come back as an Archaeologist...)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 83 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 27, 2000 (18:21) * 3 lines 
 
Meanwhile...back at the possible ley-lines, please note the following map (also posted in Archaeology). Each little red dot is a stone circle or alignment




 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 84 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 27, 2000 (18:22) * 3 lines 
 
That is a clickable map from one of the best resources online for things megalithic:
http://www.megalith.ukf.net/bigmap.htm



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 85 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (09:07) * 1 lines 
 
kewl!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 86 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (10:49) * 1 lines 
 
It really is! Has anyone ever figured how to post a clickable map to another website. That would be REALLY Kewl!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 87 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (11:34) * 25 lines 
 
Hokule'a crew returns home tired but happy
By Leila Fujimori
A tired but happy Nainoa Thompson says it was a very special day.
After an eight-month voyage to Rapa Nui and back, Hokule’a is home.
Shanell Ching, navigator for the final leg of the journey, said, "It's an honor and a privilege to bring the
Hokule’a home."
The 32-year-old navigated the Polynesian sailing canoe, using only traditional methods, from Tahiti to
Hawaii in a record 21 days.
Hokule’a sailed into Kaunakakai Harbor tonight receiving a welcome of hula, chants and leis from
Molokai residents, as well as crew members' friends and family.
The 15 crew members first caught sight of landfall about 7:20 p.m. yesterday, when they spotted the
lights of Hilo.
The voyage to Rapa Nui signifies reaching the final and easternmost point in the Polynesian Triangle --
the migration routes of ancient Polynesian navigators.
On Oct. 8, Hokule’a arrived at Rapa Nui, or Easter Island, the most isolated and remote Polynesian
island.
Hokule’a will depart Molokai for Oahu on March 11, in time for a homecoming celebration at Kualoa
Park. The event will also mark the 25th anniversary of its launching.
The formal morning program will be followed by entertainment, educational activities, food and other
programs from noon to 5 p.m.
Ching said exceptional conditions allowed the Hokule’a to quickly sail through the doldrums, a region
known for dead calms and light breezes.
At times, however, Ching was challenged by rain swells and overcast skies that obscured the stars and
other celestial bodies used in navigation.



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 88 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (11:38) * 1 lines 
 
One of my freinds has a son on the crew of the Hokule'a. She said the only modern convenience they had was a radio-phone. No watches, no calendars, nothing modern. When they called home they were forbidden to ask the day or time or anything else which the ancient Polynesians would not have known. They really DID do it the Old-Fashioned way...very old!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 89 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (15:43) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, it was a wonderful ocean voyage, although it did the virtual way. Thanks for the URL Marcia.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 90 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (15:48) * 1 lines 
 
oh, the Hokule`a is a ship! i was wondering there for a minute!! the only way to copy a clickable map is to do a "view source" and copy all the links over with it (i guess!)......


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 91 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (16:34) * 3 lines 
 
Yeah...then you duplicate someone else's website. That is a little too cheeky for even me to attempt - but I am sure you are right. I'll just use the URL and go there to do my clicking. I am just happy they put it on a transparent background. It does look lovely!

Glad you enjoyed the virtual voyage. I'll let you know when the next one goes!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 92 of 235: Ginny  (vibrown) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (00:19) * 5 lines 
 
Sounds kind of like the Kon-Tiki and Ra expeditions of Thor Heyerdahl. Hard to imagine anyone crossing the open ocean in a balsawood raft, and surviving!

I started looking at that Rennes-le-Chateau website you posted, Marcia. It sure sounds like the stuff I heard about on that TV show I saw a while back. That show did talk about some weird geometry and a painting. I assume it was the painting you mentioned. *Weird* stuff, but I haven't had time to read much of it, yet...

Did you say there is a modern day Knights Templars organization? Do they have any real ties to the historic Templars? How do the Rosicrucians relate to them? They always seemed like a pretty bizarre group, too.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 93 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (10:11) * 3 lines 
 
The modern-day Knights Templar are part of the Freemasons of today. I think there is no connection with Rosecrutions - at least when my father was a Mason.
Illuminati and the like are also suggested as connected in some way. Of this I know nothing other than what I have read by the disgruntled and the guessers.
Of course, when asked, any Freemason would categorically deny any association. but that may or may not be true, as well!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 94 of 235: Ginny  (vibrown) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (10:43) * 2 lines 
 
My father was also a Mason, but naturally he wouldn't tell me any of their secrets. Seems like another odd group, from the open ceremonies I was allowed to attend. My brother was also a Mason for a while, but he hated it and let his membership lapse.



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 95 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (11:06) * 1 lines 
 
Until the 60'd happened and turned the world upside down, Masonic attachment was a form of prestige. I do not know if anything internal happened to them, but Kings and Presidents were all Masons. If you were a shaker or mover, it was expected of you. My father was not a joiner, but this one he took to heart and became a 33rd degress Master Mason eventually - about as high as you can go.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 96 of 235: Ginny  (vibrown) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (11:20) * 3 lines 
 
My brother felt the Masons were bigots and racists...maybe it was just the lodge he joined, but he felt it was part of the actual wording of the ceremonies.

I got the impressions that the Masons were once a "blue blood" sort of organization...had to be of a certain social standing, etc., to join.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 97 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (11:35) * 1 lines 
 
Oh, indeed...one had to have proven himself a man of worth usually self-made men were most admired, but inherited status was also good (as in Kings). They are elitist, but not necessarily snobs. Shriners do a tremendous amount of good works but that branch did not appeal to my serious-minded father. All you have to be is free and accepted and believe in God. Blacks and Jews and all others that I know of were welcome. Perhaps it has changed and people are reading things into the wording of the degrees and ceremonies which meant different things in another era. I truly do not know since my father was tight-lipped about all thing Masonic.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 98 of 235: Ginny  (vibrown) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (12:26) * 1 lines 
 
Hmm...maybe it was just the interpretations by the lodge my brother joined, then.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 99 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (12:29) * 1 lines 
 
It is entirely possible. When my Dad retired from New Rochelle, NY and eventually settled in Tucson, Arizona, he did not care for the chapter there so did not transfer his membership He remained a member in good standing and had a Masonic funeral.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 100 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (14:46) * 5 lines 
 
they're probably sworn to secrecy. another lady i work with has a masonic ring for her wedding ring.

i had heard that those organizations are dark when you get into the stuff they keep hidden. the good works are only surface stuff. don't know, really, never had any associations with them. the kids love the shriners because of their cute cars. that and helping crippled children is all i can associate shriners with.

how did we get on this subject? *grin*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 101 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (15:28) * 1 lines 
 
Sacred geometry and "Holy Blood Holy Grail" discussion. This is the topic in Geo and Paraspring where we let it hang out and see what sort of things come to surface. Yup! Masons are sworn to secrecy...but I am sure my father would have exited immediately from any organization which worshipped the dark side or even pretended. Either some chapters have gone off on their own or others are reporting erroneous information - or both!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 102 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (23:28) * 1 lines 
 
You have left out Surrey - in your showing of Stone Circles etc. One thing we do have is circles of ancient trees - one of which is near Polesden Lacey and is on the way to Boxhill. There definitly ley lines in Surrey - one on St. Martha's Hill a very strange place - have often picnicked there - you can actually see the ley line it is extremely magnetic and has a strange feel around it. These cirles of ancient trees - Yew most of them are also strange and much used in Witchcraft. In Bookham there is a very ancient common - woods where witchcraft is still practiced. When Heather my friend and I were searching for Ley lines we came across the circle used by them. My dog who was with us behaved in a peculiar manner, but it was he who found it. Of course they would be fully aware of the ancient ley lines and use them.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 103 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (23:36) * 1 lines 
 
Anne! How we have needed you here. Bless your new motherboard! Thanks for this posting. More!!! I did not know about the rings of trees and other wondrous things in Surrey. You have actually searched for Ley lines?! Hey, Gang! We have a real expert now! Thank you more than I can say!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 104 of 235: MarkG  (MarkG) * Wed, Mar  1, 2000 (07:04) * 5 lines 
 
Leith Hill did get a mention earlier with its nine parish boundaries intersecting and the tower that ensured a viewpoint over 1,000ft high in South-East England. There is also a pond near Boxhill traditionally believed to be bottomless.

Surrey is my original stamping-ground too, though I am not a big believer in ley-lines. Also I do not see why dogs would be susceptible to geo-magnetism; is the theory that humans would be, but have shut it out?

An excellent walk on the Surrey/Sussex border once took us through whole groves of ancient yews (the spookiest things you ever saw) up to the Devil's Stepping Stones, a series of tumuli running along a ridge of the South Downs.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 105 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Mar  1, 2000 (10:37) * 1 lines 
 
*Sigh* I wish I could have tagged along on any of these hikes. Boxhill is famous in ley-hunters books. Perhaps it is time to mention the types of barrows found in that part of England. Anyone who has visited the area know exactly where Frodo was in Lord of the Rings when they were trying to evade the evils coming from the barrows (don't want to give anything away here for someone else who might like to read the books.) But, that is a topic for Archaeology (Geo 17)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 106 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Mar  1, 2000 (12:16) * 5 lines 
 
mark, what you said is exactly right on. animals are very suseptible to the "other worldly" matters. dogs can hear their owners' vehicles up to 4 miles away! so, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they can detect strong magnetism in certain spots. we (the human animal) are so afraid to venture out into the unknown (the survival instinct) and question everything we cannot see or touch. it's amazing that we believe in aliens but question the existance of God! not trying to preach at all.

love tolkein. my dad has every book that man has written plus the books with his maps and everything.

ring of trees is interesting. could they have been used as territorial markers the way farmers lined their fields? and when we're talking witches, do we mean wiccan or sorcerers?


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 Response 107 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Mar  1, 2000 (13:06) * 118 lines 
 
More on the insult to Stonehenge plus some fascinating material which goes along with the ley line theme: http://www.mistral.co.uk/hammerwood/earthwav.htm
Buildings and landscapes, temples, Mother of all - Earth, the physics of invisible and immortal
by David Pinnegar BSC ARCS
URGENT SOS: THE TIMES NEWSPAPER REPORTS THAT STONEHENGE IS IN DANGER
An old man once asked what was the difference between someone from the town and someone from the countryside. "The
town man", he said, "is clever. The country man is wise".

Town men might laugh at the bee-keeper talking to his bees or the seedsman talking to his plants and tell them that they are
mad. When a swarm of wild bees in the walls of Hammerwood heard a bee-keeper proposing to kill them for fear of the
spread of disease, the bees heard him and felt my fear for them! Within two hours they had fled elsewhere.

Increasingly that which was unimaginable is now understandable. What would the medieval peasant have thought about that
biblical story of Adam being put to sleep, cut open, the extraction of a rib and his being sewn back together, alive?

In the past, life was simple - it was all a matter of belief. As we ate of the tree of knowledge, life became less clear. With
imperfect knowledge Darwinists told us that we evolved from a primeval sea of life and they disrupted the faith of many. Yet
scientific understanding of the DNA mechanism may yet confirm conclusively our old beliefs. If life ever evolved from chaos,
the ancient myths suggest that it did so in another creation.

What was light long ago has faded into darkness. Imperfect knowledge plunges us into a sea of uncertainty but in the deeper
knowledge of science we rediscover the beauty of creation. The job common to artists, priests and scientists is to make that
which was invisible visible. The task of the museum curator is to preserve the source materials.

Astrology should by reason have no connexion with fact or science. It's apparent former connotations with spiritualists and
the occult justified its treatment with the ultimate of caution and scepticism. The availability of modern computer software,
however, has transformed the treatment of the subject from a dubious art to a calculated mechanism. Upon acquiring such
an "instant astrologer" program over the recent year, purely for fun, my perception of the subject has been transformed. The
results, based upon accurate information relating to the subject's time and place of birth, can often give a most remarkable
insight into the characteristics of the person concerned. Their strengths and weaknesses, when revealed can be of positive
benefit to them. Large commercial organisations take astrology as seriously as graphology in parallel with CVs in assessing
prospective candidates for jobs.

So why should it work? What connexion can there be between our destiny cast at the time of our birth and the planets and
stars? The idea that gravity is involved is not new: The moon and planets all exert their gravitational forces and this has a
visible effect on the tides. The connexion with the perception of water in our bodies is then derived. Epidemiologists take the
subject seriously. But the effect is more than the simple alteration of water levels: each planet and astral constellation
appears to exert differing characteristics which affect our behaviour. (People's behaviour, as well as the weather, is
currently being influenced by a massive heavenly body which is travelling through the solar system. The effect is almost
as a perpetual full moon!) We are controlled by thought and, if the results of astrology are testimony to the effect, there is an
apparent communication in the control of our thought at the moment we are born.

Astrology thus provides an idea that there is some influence of the heavenly bodies upon our thoughts by reason of a
gravitational communication, some sort of telepathy.

Matthew 17:20
If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall
remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

At risk of ridicule, an American hypnotherapist, Dolores Cannon records in her book "Keepers of the Garden" an account of
a patient who under regression was, if you like, under the delusion that he was an extra-terrestrial upon another planet.
Hiroshima sent waves to "them up there" and, he says, "they" are worried by us. Before quantum physics, conventionalists
who had heard of relativity would have said it was impossible - nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

According to Cannon's patient "them up there" know what we are thinking: the pyramids and the Washington Monument are
the earth's telepathic transmitters! Such a concept may not be as ridiculous as it seems: if telepathic waves are gravitational,
tall massive obelisks will vibrate with the earth beneath them, just as a seismologist's earthquake measuring device, and
transmit waves like our tall television transmitters. Similarly, the one thing common to pyramids is mass which leads
to the distortion of the earth's gravitational field, with chambers, tunnels and long small shafts - just like
gravitational microwave resonators, waveguides and transmitters.

The Natural Law Party of Transcendental Meditationalists with their ridiculed Yogic Flying claim that, by 200 of their
members practising in an area afflicted by inner-city troubles, they can reduce the crime rate. The idea is that they are
reducing their mind to the purist levels of thought and conveying these by some telepathic influence. They must believe it with
the greatest of sincerity. In the course of Yogic meditation, not only is the mind straightened into coherent thoughts, just as
light waves in a laser, but the back is straightened. Perhaps in the connexion of our brain to the straightened spine and
thereafter to an array of bones in the rib cage we have within each of us a powerful capacity to transmit and receive
telepathic waves.

As Christians, when we pray, we must believe in telepathy because how else are we allowing "the spirit" of God to talk to us
and we to Him? And don't we believe that the more of us who are praying simultaneously, the more influence our prayers
might have on world events?

The ancient Cretans believed in the earth as mother and their buildings had to pay reverence to the earth and all
that lived therein (Vincent Scully The Earth, the Temple and the Gods). The Minoan palaces together with the Greek
temples were carefully aligned upon manifestations of the earth's features - its valleys and its hills. Just as we
look at television transmitting aerials (dipoles) and might compare them to "telepathic" obelisks, another form of
television aerial familiar to us has arrays of parallel elements - just like the repeating masses of the columns of
ancient Greek temples, aligned on massive distortions of the earth's gravitational field.

Perhaps neither the Classicists nor the Gothicists were wrong in their differing advocations for church architecture? Perhaps
we may rediscover the legendary secret knowledge of the ancient stone masons? Perhaps churches must have either tall
towers or spires pointing to heaven, or vast arrays of classical columns focused in a portico? Within such churches, whether
gothic or classical, more columns are to be found binding the members of the church together and holding up the roof and
perhaps connecting gravitational waves as we pray.

Modern physics confirms that there is matter, perhaps called "super-symmetric matter", which we can neither see nor detect
because it is independent of the properties of electrons and electromagnetism. (This suggests the veracity of the otherwise
incredible story of Claude Vorilhon Rael, which includes a specific reference to metal: "The book which tells the truth"). In the
"Super Unification Thory" of modern physics, super-symmetric matter is linked with the nature of gravity. The transmission of
matter symmetry information is required by modern quantum theory to be instantaneous. Because super-symmetric matter
contains none of the properties of electrons, electromagnetic waves cannot interact with it and we therefore cannot see it.

Gravitational waves do affect us: there are people who we call "lunatics" who are directly affected by the gravity of the moon.
We see the water of the tides move too. We are ourselves 90% water - and our brains are equally full of it. The water
molecule is physically and electrically lop-sided, imbalanced. As water molecules move, electrical charges move and
interfere with other electrical charges moving in our brains. As our brains move charges, they move water molecules with
them!

The formerly incredible and intangible begins thus to have foundation in physics. Our ancient beliefs of what we were told at
the beginning of time should be our foundation: departure from these is more likely to be an aberration of an imperfect
science rather than an imperfection of what we were told.

When we meet the next messenger of our Creation, will we believe him when he is sent to tell us of things unseen now to us
but seen in heaven? Will we recognise "the Son of man coming from the clouds"? Will we crucify him too? That which was
inconceivable a couple of generations ago now seems possible and daily the scientists are proving creation to be true.

Week by week we learn of new advances in our knowledge of DNA, including in 1995 the discovery of the section of DNA
which counts the number of times a cell has divided and thereby controls the lifetime of the body. The removal of this section
from the DNA code results in a body of everlasting lifetime. Immortals and those pre-flood lifetimes of hundreds of years are
myth no more.

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Loads more links at the above URL on the subject



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 108 of 235: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Wed, Mar  1, 2000 (13:13) * 1 lines 
 
(Have just finished listening to the BBC radio dramatised version of Lord of the Rings on a set of cassettes. Enthralling if you like that sort of thing. Well, we enjoyed it anyway.) Hadn't thought of Box hill in that connection. We went there for school trips.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 109 of 235: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (02:07) * 32 lines 
 
The stone circles of The Gambia



Although West Africa has no monuments comparable to the Pyramids and Temples of Ancient Egypt or the ruins of Zimbabwe, it has in the stone circles of the Senegal and the Gambia impressive remains that have puzzled the few travellers who have examined them. Stone circles of many types are found throughout Europe and the Near East, though nowhere is there so large a concentration as found on the north bank of the river Gambia.

Here there are hundreds of circles containing many curious features and in particular the unique V or Lyre stones. The commonest shape is round like a pillar with a flat top. Others are square; some taper upwards. There are small stones with a cup-shaped hollow on top. Others have a ball cut in the round top of the stone. There is a recumbent stone shaped like a pillow.



The Circles are composed of standing stones between ten and twenty four in any particular circle. One of the striking feature is that almost all the stones forming a given circle are of the same height and size. Their height above the ground varying between two hundred and forty five (245cm) centimeters and sixty centimeters (60cm). The diameter is from thirty centimeters (30cm) to one hundred centimeters (100cm).

The largest stones which are at N'jai Kunda must weigh about ten tons each. They were brought down a steep hillside and their transportation on rollers or on hammocks must have presented formidable difficulties and have required a considerable labor force.




The stone circles at Wassu
As a results of Laboratory tests at the University of Dakar, the date of the sample was found to be from 750 A.D plus or minus 110 years.
The stones were cut out of laterite (" a cementation of ferruginous sandstone ") that occurs in large outcrops in this region. It is a feature of this stone that it hardens upon exposure to the air, and that prior to such exposure it is relatively easy to quarry.
Where several circles are found on the same site the exterior stones form a continuos line as at Wassu.



A lot of explanations have been given about the shape of the Senegambia Stone Circles by Islamic historians and wise observers.
One of such explanations was revealed by the late Alhaji Kemoring Jaiteh a well known Islamic scholar of Kuntaur Fulla Kunda in Niani. According to his writings, if a small stone stands near a large one, that shows that, some one was buried with his/her child. Similarly, if the stones are V-shape, that pictures that two close relatives died on the same day and were buried together.
The circles are said to be built around mounds of kings and chiefs, in the same way as royal persons were buried in the ancient empire of Ghana.
Once Islam was brought into Senegambia in the 11th century, devout Muslims especially the "Karamos" were also buried in the same way. Consequently, some of these Circles became holy places.
Today, small stones and vegetables like tomatoes are still left on the stones. Some of these stones are said to shine bright at night.

from URL: http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcacamara/stones.html



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 Response 110 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (11:17) * 2 lines 
 
Thanks, Maggie. Thanks for getting us out of the insular mode and into the wider world of stone circles. There are even Amerindian one. Fascinating.
The url is always welcome and as soon as I am fully awake I'm going there to look for pictures.


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 Response 111 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (11:43) * 7 lines 
 
Maggie's Pictures of African Stone Circles:








 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 112 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (11:44) * 1 lines 
 
Very interesting. Looks like they had to fabricate their megaliths out of smaller stones or bricks. Thanks! Most interesting. Are they on Ley Lines, as well?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 113 of 235: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (13:14) * 1 lines 
 
Did you get my email? That's why I asked if there was a ley line map of Africa. I wondered if it was connected. Did the pictures send OK by email, I just lifted them off the site and they downloaded as jpeg files. These stones are made out of the stuff they make roads with. It's a red stone, I think it's cut in one piece rather than made up of lots of small stones. It just looks crumbly.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 114 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (13:34) * 1 lines 
 
I have not checked for one yet, but it is on the earth's E-Line which I mentioned above. I am sure one (leyline map for Africa) exists. Will hunt for one next. If you look at the first post I made this morning in here it contains your photos you emailed me and I put on Spring's hard drive. Thanks so much - I never would have thought of looking for stone circles in Africa. Have you seen any?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 115 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (13:42) * 136 lines 
 
This is part of a very long but fascinating article on what are ley lines and are they real. Check it out http://www.isr.umd.edu/~jasonp/leyline.html

Ley Lines and Coincidence
"So, recently folks have been connecting
up all these ancient sites with straight
lines. They can get four, five, even six
of them, all in a row."
"Sure, but it's all by chance, isn't it?"
Is it?
Every time I brought up the ley phenomenon to the uninitiated,
I was immediately cut off by this question. The English countryside
is full of very ancient sites and earthworks, and many of these
fall on alignments over ten miles long, with eerie accuracy. Examples
can be found of these "ley lines" that seem to defy the law of averages,
and one would be hard-pressed to believe that such cases could possibly
arise by chance.

This paper will explore the statistics of ley lines. Leys are
a controversial topic, and objections to their being intentional have
arisen from many directions. I will examine what physically constitutes a
ley line and then review previous work on how likely a ley line is to
arise by chance. A sizeable portion of this paper will then be devoted to
my own computer experiments. Note in passing that to focus on ley
statistics requires being sketchy in other areas.

What's In a Ley?
The simplest answer is "prehistoric standing stones and
earthworks", but already there is controversy. Prehistory spans a
very long period, and when two random "ancient" structures are
chosen it is possible that these features were constructed in
periods separated by almost 4000 years (WB 1983:31). Thus those two
structures could have been constructed by very different societies,
and have had nothing to do with each other.
Many ley hunters when including (non-prehistoric) churches in
leys, cite a letter from Pope Gregory in 601 AD stating that pagan
"temples" ought not to be destroyed, but purified and converted to
churches (Watkins 194:117). Indeed, there are standing stones in
country churchyards, as Watkins shows. Including all churches
because of this, however, is unrealistic. Devereux and Thomson list
a ley through London that consists of five medieval churches,
despite the fact that
"...the city site, while not completely de-
serted...was of no special importance until
the Romans founded their settlement" (WB 1983:138)
Likewise with castles: a mound is more defensible than flat
ground, and many prehistoric mounds exist; castle keeps, then,
belong on ley lines. It is again unrealistic, however, that all
medieval nobility would have their choice of castle site dictated
by existing terrain, when they could simply have the terrain
modified to suit their wishes exactly.
Watkins hypothesized that ley lines were the sighting points
for a vast network of "straight tracks" that covered prehistoric
England, and his book includes several crossroads used as ley
points and instances of dirt pathways uncovered in the course of
sewer excavation (Watkins 1948:38-39).
The impression received is that deciding whether a given site
is a viable candidate for being a "ley point" is a difficult matter
and would often require archaeological evidence. Ley hunting is
typically an easy matter, however. Most ley hunters would only
connect the ley points on an Ordnance Service (OS) map and then
confirm the ley points in the field. Most do not perform more
orthodox research which would tell, for example, that the straight
paths through England are mostly "Planned Countryside" enacted by
Parliament in the 18th and 19th Centuries, while older tracks than
these are "notoriously devoid of straight lines" (WB 1983:88).
Notice also that many of the citations in this paper are from
Williamson and Bellamy, both archaeologists; this is because they
include historical evidence where others do not.
In fairness to the existing material, "questionable" ley sites
(small mark stones, trees, stretches of modern road) are usually
ignored in a published ley.
How wide must an "old straight track" be? Watkins insisted
that ancient tracks be just wide enough to travel on foot, perhaps
two to four yards (DT 1979:72). Using a very sharp pencil on an OS
map produces an effective line about 30 feet wide; this would be
about the best one could expect without doing fieldwork.
Statistical studies often could not work with widths less than a
hundred yards (see Appendix).
Ley Statistics
Watkins was the first (1925) to attempt answering the question
of whether ley lines of significant size could arise by chance
(Watkins 1948:203-204). The OS sheet of Andover contains 51
churches that can be organized into 1 five-point, 8 four-point and
29 three-point leys. To see how many leys could be expected by
chance he marked out 51 crosses "haphazardly" on a similar size
sheet, and found no five-point, 1 four-point and 33 three-point
leys. He concluded from this that with 50 sites, finding a four-
point ley by chance was unlikely, and a five-point ley was ironclad
evidence that the placement was deliberate.
From this he developed a rating system (DT 1979:31) that
assigned points to possible ley features: "ancient sites" got a
full point, and incidental features like stretches of road, "mark
stones", or "ancient trees" fractions of a point. If the total
summed to 5 or more the ley was deemed to be deliberate.
Peter Furness in 1965 derived a closed-form expression
(details unavailable) for the probability of a given size ley
existing (DT 1979:38), and from this declared that a seven-point
ley would only arise in 1 out of 1000 OS maps. Further (WB
1983:94), assuming a given map had 200 ley points, he calculated
that one could expect 1570 three-point, 72 four-point and 2 five-point
alignments to occur by chance. Confirmation of a sort came
from Robert Forrest (WB 1983:95), whose computer study is the only
one of its kind available. His 200 random point run found that 752
three-point, 33 four-point and 2 five-point ley lines existed by
chance alone, and suggested that Watkins' criterion of a five-point
ley being almost impossible was unrealistic for large collections
of points.
Both these studies required many assumptions (WB 1983:96-98):
that there were only 200 points in the average map (the average is
300 to 400), that they were all small (some earthworks can reach 10
acres in area), all evenly distributed, etc. Accounting for these
factors theoretically would have been next-to-impossible, so
Forrest instead ran a simulation. This involved looking at a sample
map, randomizing the points in it but keeping their distribution
the same, and plotting all the ley lines by hand. This time many
more lines were found: 39 five-point, 10 six-point and 1 seven-point
alignments.
There is also a famous study by John Michell, but I omit it
due to doubts about its assumptions. The interested reader should
consult (WB 1983:102-106).
Personal Investigation
"The past evidence for leys is statisti-
cally poor. It is to be hoped that future
evidence will be of a much more rigorous
nature." -Robert Forrest (DT 1979:39)
Computer work on ley line statistics seems to have stopped,
and I wondered if more could be learned with modern computers and
recent mathematical results. I therefore have tried to analyze the
available evidence based on my own numerical experiments. Though I
have attempted to make assumptions as realistic as possible,
getting answers requires ignoring a lot of information, like the
length of a given ley or the topography of the sample region.


The research methodology and results continue in this fascinating article.
Thanks, Maggie, for sending me the URL for it.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 116 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (21:05) * 5 lines 
 
here's a url for crop circles (gonna post in physical phenom too):

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1700/Crop-Circles/PB-Crop-Circles.html

slow-loading so be patient!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 117 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (21:23) * 1 lines 
 
Oh yes! Loads of them...artbell.com even has a link...Loads of them around Stonehenge in the summer and early Autumn. Thanks, Wolfie...I'll post more and some pictures as well.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 118 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Fri, Mar  3, 2000 (16:22) * 1 lines 
 
I have a little bit of information about magnetic fields in the ocean. It seems that the lemon sharks hatched in the Bimini Lagoon unfailing return every year their natal waters to lay their own eggs. How do they find their way? Magnetic fields. It seems the sharks can sense the proper magnetic field, get onto it, and use like a highway to get to their destination. It never fails them. It would seem knowing where you're going is really important when you're a fish that can't swim backward.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 119 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Mar  3, 2000 (16:25) * 1 lines 
 
indeed! *lol*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 120 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar  3, 2000 (16:51) * 1 lines 
 
Right...and it just will not do for sharks to surface all that often to check polarization as Whales and Turtles and other air breathers do. Condsidering that Sharks are unchanged from the time of dinosaurs, they must have hit on the right combination early in their evolution! Thanks, Cheryl. Guess I did not know that!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 121 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (04:27) * 5 lines 
 
Now folks a serious question to do with geomagnatism. Some years ago I was told
I study Astronomy by the way and meteorology, that they couldn't find the magnetic north pole - apparantly it keeps wondering about the place - now that must have an effect on
ley lines etc. The pool near Boxhill that was being talked about is called the Mill Pond it has not far from the edge and extraordinarily deep hole - and when you look at it it is coloured the deepest and most beautiful blue - and we were told as children not to swim in the Mill Pond because it was so deep. In fact for many years Leatherhead my home town had all its water from there - it was the softest, tastiest water I have ever tasted - now its been taken over and they get London water. ugh.
Do you think whales beach themselves because of the change in the magnetic north sorry to switch back but strange things are happening around the world and its got my attenae working.
Mark what part of Surrey are you from.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 122 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (12:05) * 16 lines 
 
Let me post this first, then I will tackle Anne's comments...
http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/plate_tectonics/rift.html


Rift in the ocean floor through which red-hot magma is squeezed up
from the mantle. The magma solidifies with a magnetic polarity
corresponding to that of the Earth's magnetic field. After a long interval
of time, the Earth's polarity changes, that is, the magnetic north pole
becomes the magnetic south pole, and so the polarity of the newly
formed crust changes, too. As new magma is squeezed in, the older
crust is moved out from the midocean ridge like a conveyor belt. This
produces a series of strips of rock magnetized in opposite senses, with
the magnetic stripes parallel and symmetrical to the ridges.
Shallow-focus earthquakes occur on the ridge; intermediate and
deep-focus earthquakes occur on the downgoing plate as it collides
with another plate.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 123 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (12:12) * 5 lines 
 
Better than I could ever explain it and with great diagrams, here is the scoop on the Magnetic North Pole: http://geo.phys.uit.no/articl/roadto.html
It is a super read and super easy to understand.

There is some conjecture that the beached animals are already sick in such a way as to render their location-sensing system inactive or sending incorrect messages. Perhaps it is a reflex to move to a place where they will not drown if they become incapacitated. Beaching would accomplish that. But, Until we can talk to them we really won't know, I imagine!



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 124 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (13:30) * 1 lines 
 
i've heard that there is usually one animal in the group who is ill and the others follow to offer it support. interesting about the north pole moving around. maybe the magnetism has something to do with the moon (like tides)...


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 125 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (13:44) * 1 lines 
 
The moon is large enough to cause tides as it revolves around us. When it is on the same side of us that the sun is, the tidal pull is stronger and the tides higher. Spring tides are strongest because in our eliptical orbit, the sun is closest to us. It is more centrifugal - centripital force than magnetism which does the pulling.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 126 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (16:21) * 1 lines 
 
how does the moon pull then? just by the force as it runs around us? interesting.....


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 127 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (19:34) * 1 lines 
 
Yup! It is massive enough that it is being held into orbit by the sun pulling one way and the Earth pulling the other. That is often how they discover second stars orbiting a large star or planets orbiting a single star. The stars in question tend to have less-than-perfect orbits, and these "Perturbations" are due to the pull of the planets or the minor stars orbiting them.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 128 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (19:36) * 1 lines 
 
Btw, the moon is massive enough and so is the sun, that when they pull on the same side of the orbit, it will cause tides in the liquid rock on which the plates float thus bending the plates themselves (Mike? Or is is just on the crust?)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 129 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (19:37) * 1 lines 
 
Oh yeah, there are more earthquakes at the dark of the moon (like right now) than any other time - for that very reason!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 130 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (02:22) * 1 lines 
 
Well thank you all for your explanations - especially that at the dark of the moon. Also one of our weather forecasters told us the moon is nearer to us at present - or at least he said so a couple of weeks ago. That must make a difference to the liquid magma I suppose.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 131 of 235: MarkG  (MarkG) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (05:52) * 7 lines 
 
Anne, I wish I could claim I was from 'proper' Surrey - I am in fact from Cheam (now part of Greater London).

We went for a walk yesterday from Boxhill station out towards Polesden Lacey and back through Westhumble. Went past Tanners Hatch, a remote youth hostel spoiled by bombs in the War. We read that during the rebuilding in 1970, an old woman knocked on the door one evening asking the way to Wotton Hatch. She was invited in by the National Trust people and given a meal, and complimented them on the work done to the house, saying she had lived there herself long ago. When the time came for her to leave the door was opened, but she had disappeared, and an owl was sitting on the back of the chair she had been in, the same owl that had been the only creature watching the renovation work.

You have to see this cottage in its little thickly-wooded valley to appreciate the spookiness of this story, however apocryphal. Nothing to do with Geomagnetism and sharks, sorry.

Is magnetism the way that turtles always make it back to their home beach to lay eggs, despite travelling across oceans for years in between?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 132 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (10:25) * 3 lines 
 
Geomagnetism is usually for thin-skinned (no shell) creatures who are do not surface for air. The air-breathers are usually navigating by polarization of sunlight(which also works on cloudy days) much as the Vikings did after they figured it out...or remembered it again.

Mark, that was the most incredible story! It is 6am and still dark outside; I am now full of chills of the most incredible sort. Thanks for sharing that story. I'll bet being there was even more amazing. I'll bet it was mentioned on the walk back!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 133 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (13:03) * 3 lines 
 
that's some story, mark, an owl....the turtles use the stars (as they hatch at night) and for this reason, some are found going the wrong way because they are fooled by the street lights.

i would love to sit on the beach and watch these turtles make their way home.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 134 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (14:06) * 4 lines 
 
I would love to watch the hatching little scapers, but it would be beyond me to not interfere with the little ones who go astray and that is strictly forbidden.
We have them here and I guess I could arrange to be in on one. Hmmm...!

Is anyone interested in experiencing something incredible? Dowsing? I am an extreme skeptic but my son taught me and it is the most astounding thing to have rods swiveling in your hands when you are not moveing them! I can tell you how and what you need...


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 135 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (14:08) * 1 lines 
 
There is conjecture that some birds use polarized light and others use star patterns as turtles do (you are right about that, Wolfie!)...and Polynesians!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 136 of 235: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (14:09) * 1 lines 
 
Have you decided how dowsing works? - I don't think it's magic!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 137 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (14:17) * 1 lines 
 
Not magic at all - at least the kind I will teach you - we localed the pipes and electrical circuit under our cement slab floor and out into the septic tank using this method and it works incredibly precisely!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 138 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (15:19) * 1 lines 
 
don't you need a willow branch? the only willow in my neighborhood is in someone's yard and i don't think they'd appreciate me sneaking over there in the middle of the night to get a forked branch! dowsing amazes me though! and yes, i'd love to try, so do tell us, it'd be a "hands on" lesson!!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 139 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (16:12) * 3 lines 
 
I do not know how to hunt for water with a willow branch. When I told the house male what David showed me the ever-skeptical IO said he had done it lots of time himself but did not let on he did. It worked for him, too.

Get thee to a auromotive parts store or wherever you can find bronze brazing rods. Mine are about 36" or 1 meter long. You'll need two. They are skinny so I used empty stick ball pen outsides with the ink chamber removed. You're gonna need a vise here or a pair of pliers and a strong arm 'cause you need to bend at a right angle about 4" (10 cm) of one end. David used just his bare hands but I found it easier to hold steady with a larger thing to grip. The rods must be held loosely enough to swing freely.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 140 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (16:18) * 1 lines 
 
Now that you have them in your hands and you can pivot your body without moving your feet and have the rods swing in them, we are off to try them out. Holding them so the long parts are parallel to the ground and with your elbows tight to your sides so you do not try to move the rods, consider your hands and arms extensions of your rods. Work in your house first so you know if there are pipes under you and that you are NOT moving the rods. Holding your arms and wrists rigid and holding loosely to your rods but keeping them straight out in front of you, walk slowly across the room.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 141 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (16:20) * 1 lines 
 
I'm sorry to throw the topic back to the Moon, but it is a massive sattelite to the Earth. Being 1/6 the size of the Earth makes it so large in fact that the Earth and Moon together can be considered a double planet. At one time it was much closer to the Earth, making for a year of 44 months and phenomenally high tides which rushed across the Earth's surface.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 142 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (16:22) * 1 lines 
 
You are right, of course! Thanks for bringing that up. (They are busy walking across the floor with their brazing rods...) The Moon is considered to be a captured protoplanet which did not make it. Unless there has been another theory posited since I last checked!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 143 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (16:38) * 1 lines 
 
There is the theory that the Moon is a part of the infant Earth which was knocked loose by a comet.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 144 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (17:10) * 3 lines 
 
I have heard of that, as well, but I have not seen a good representation of what that must have looked like and I just cannot imagine the Earth as a dumb-bell.
...the inhabitants, however...!



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 145 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (18:36) * 1 lines 
 
wait, i haven't been to the auto parts store...what are brazing rods? and do the ends of the separate rods both go into one ball pen container? then you bend the opposite ends where you hold on?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 146 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (19:19) * 1 lines 
 
Thbey'll know. They are brass rods which are about the thickness of the neck wire on a wooden coar hanger...and about a yard (meter) long.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 147 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (19:22) * 2 lines 
 
You'll need two pen outsides.
One empty ball pen or felt kiddies marker works even better in each hand.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 148 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (20:42) * 1 lines 
 
Mark, I was actually born in Epsom Hospital just up the road from you! My mother used to work in West Ewell. I also lived in Ashtead from 1979-85 where my interest in ley lines and all things odd from the past started. Mainly because of Stane Street, Roman remains in Ashtead found by St. Giles Church - they found a tiled floor of a Roman Villa - and the tile factory remains are still in Ashtead Woods - worth looking for. Ashtead woods is very ancient and you can walk there from Ashtead Station - throught the common to the wood on the other side of the station from walking into the village - well worth walking through that was my daily walk with my dog. Makes me homesick. What a story about the house - it always felt spooky that walk from Polesden Lacey to Boxhill done it lots of times. Anne


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 149 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (20:50) * 1 lines 
 
* s i g h *


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 150 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (21:09) * 1 lines 
 
There was a ford over the River Mole at Leatherhead - Mark I expect you know it the pub the Running Horse is nearby! that is really ancient - pre Iron Age even and on the way to Stonehenge. The River Mole is strange it called so because it burrows its way in and out of the ground - but is quite delightful especially at the splash in Fetcham another ancient area. Lots of funny names around too Cobham, Oxshott, Bookham, Upper and Lower, Ashtead, Upper and Lower, Effingham, all with probably anglo saxon connatations. Wooton Hatch -m mentioned by Mark. I'll think of some more later my mind's gone blank. The road to Guildford - the Hogs Back, the Devils Punchbowl on the way to Hindhead/Greyshott (Marcia will know that connection!) Stoke D'Abernon how about that one. I'll stop - but strange things do happen in places of ancient habitation.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 151 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (21:13) * 2 lines 
 
(salivating and dreaming I am there) You cannot know how happy I am that those ancient trackways and memories are in good keeping. By all means, Mark, take the kids with you and tell them all about it. Incredible. I am so envious!
More! Please!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 152 of 235: MarkG  (MarkG) * Tue, Mar  7, 2000 (05:04) * 3 lines 
 
I'll have to have some kids first, Marcia, before I can tell them anything! You want some more odd names Anne, how about Abinger Hammer, the lake called Friday Street, Coldharbour, Normandy, Fox Corner, Holmbury St Mary, Liphook and Churt?

I went to school in Epsom and have spent most of my summer weekends playing cricket in places like Brockham, Dorking, Newdigate, Frensham, Rudgwick and Westcott (well those are the nice places, also hundreds of recreation grounds in the Surrey/London suburbs).


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 153 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Mar  7, 2000 (10:43) * 1 lines 
 
Oh, Mark...Dorking? Did you know the Oliviers, too? There is nothing quite as enchanting as seeing a stack of finger posts at an intersection on minor roadways. What lovely names they have on them! Straight out of a childhood book. Thanks for those names, Mark...*sigh*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 154 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Mar  7, 2000 (10:44) * 1 lines 
 
Sorry I got the cart before the horse on the next generation of your family...or is that the baby carriage?!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 155 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Mar  7, 2000 (11:06) * 12 lines 
 
Space Science News for March 7, 2000
Lost and Found: Two moons of the gas giant Uranus have been missing for 14
years. Now scientists have re-discovered the long-lost satellites. FULL
STORY at

Shepherd Moons, Lost and Found


SPACE WEATHER NOTE, MARCH 6/7, 2000: For the second night in a row,
residents of Canada and the northern United States should be on the alert
for aurora borealis. Details at
SpaceWeather.com



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 156 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (00:30) * 1 lines 
 
Mark yes of course, my mind went blank - I do remember forty-foot recreation ground though - and it was much larger than forty-foot. Surrey and Sussex have some wonderful names havn't they. Shere, Gomshall, Hurstmonceaux, Pulborough, Horsham, Crawley, Three Bridges, have walked or cycled to them all in my youth. Abinger Hammer is very special - it has a clock with an old man and a hammer, Ill see if I have a picture of it somewhere. I have lots of Surrey Calendars about the place. All so very old and full of mystery!!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 157 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (10:32) * 1 lines 
 
oh boy!!! Good stuff continues to flow and I am scanning my Ordnance Sruvey atlas and following your treks with great relish!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 158 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (17:09) * 1 lines 
 
The Lost Moons of Uranus Found! I've always had an affinity for Uranus. Firstly, there's no polite or unfunny way to pronounce it, and it sits on its side. It poles are from east to west, not north to south. So it has an East Pole and a West Pole. As the planets go, Uranus (however you say it) is something of a non-conformist.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 159 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (17:29) * 1 lines 
 
a planet rebel! how'd it get that name anyway?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 160 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (17:43) * 3 lines 
 
The name is from Roman Mythology. Uranus was the father of the god Saturn and the grandfather of Jupiter.

The funny thing about Uranus being a rebel is that in astrology the planet is the ruler of the 11th house, Aquarius, a sign associated with rebels. Then again Ronald Reagan was an Aquarian, go figure.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 161 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (19:12) * 2 lines 
 
(whew!) Thanks Cheryl for supplying the answer. I was laughing at the comment
"I always had an affinity with Uranus"...it was fraught with possibilities... (none of which are useable in this conference) *grin*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 162 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (19:49) * 1 lines 
 
*lol*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 163 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (15:41) * 1 lines 
 
Yeah, well as an Aquarian my planetary ruler is Uranus, so I really do have an affinity with the planet. It is one of those things you have to be careful about how you say it, and to whom you say it. I am among friends, hopefully. (grin)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 164 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (16:44) * 2 lines 
 
You are among friends here *grin* I pronounce it the way it is supposed to be...
Funny...if it is pronounced one way it is rectally offensive. The other way it has to do with the kidneys of two or more individuals. It is a win-win name!!!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 165 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (16:54) * 1 lines 
 
Antiquarian?! I knew I liked you!!! Me too!! That means I have an affinity for Uranus, as well?! *giggle*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 166 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (17:29) * 1 lines 
 
*lol* oh, this just keeps getting better. people think saying the second pronunciation is so much nicer sounding!!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 167 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (17:42) * 1 lines 
 
I was just sitting here thinking (always a dangerous thing for me) and my mind wandered...and went places it does not usually go *lol* I'm a purist and a mythologist. The first pronounciation is the preferred one.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 168 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (17:49) * 1 lines 
 
yer anus, that is the preferred pronunciation. amazing and to think that the powers that be decided "her a**" should be "hair us"....*lol*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 169 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (18:20) * 2 lines 
 
Everything is bass-awkward anymore. The 'f' word is used as punctuatuion but we worry about sounding vulgar with "Her a$$" Sumthin is seriously wrong here.
Yew Ray Nus is the way to say it politely...*grin*...or impolitely!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 170 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (18:29) * 1 lines 
 
*lol*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 171 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (18:39) * 1 lines 
 
I have been laughing at your reaponse 168 so hard I had to go wash my reading glasses. Ya made'um all blurry!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 172 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (18:41) * 1 lines 
 
i'm glad!!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 173 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (18:59) * 1 lines 
 
*grin*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 174 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Mar 11, 2000 (21:03) * 1 lines 
 
ok, chariots of the gods is on right now on TLC (the learning channel). this is the show i talked about earlier in this topic....


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 175 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Mar 11, 2000 (23:42) * 73 lines 
 
http://www.msnbc.com/news/379778.asp?cp1=1

March 9 — Scientists are monitoring
ricocheting ripples on the sun’s surface to
get their first picture of what’s happening
on the far side. They say the technique
opens the way for systems that can give
an early warning about potentially
disruptive solar storms a week or more
before Earth feels their effects.

LIKE THE UNANTICIPATED ARRIVAL of
hurricanes before the advent of weather satellites, a
group of previously hidden explosive regions can rotate
suddenly into view as the sun turns, blazing away with
threatening eruptions.
The new technique opens a window to the far side
of the sun using the Michelson Doppler Imager
instrument on the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, a
$1 billion satellite launched in 1995. SOHO, which is
operated by NASA and the European Space Agency,
monitors the sun from a stable point in space 1 million
miles from Earth.
“We’ve known for 10 years that in theory we could
make the sun transparent all the way to the far side,”
solar physicists Charles Lindsey and Douglas Braun
said in a written statement released by NASA. “But we
needed observations of exceptional quality. In the end,
we got them.”
Lindsey and Braun described the technique in
Friday’s issue of the journal Science and during a NASA
briefing Thursday. Lindsey is a researcher at Solar
Physics Research Corp. in Tucson, Ariz., while Braun
works at NorthWest Research Associates in Boulder,
Colo.
Their research focused on potentially explosive
areas on the sun called active regions. Such regions
produce solar flares and eruptions of hot, electrically
charged gas called coronal mass ejections. The
radiation and gas from these events sweep past Earth
at more than 1 million miles an hour (1.6 million
kilometers per hour), sometimes disrupting spacecraft,
radio communications and power systems.
Understanding and forecasting solar eruptions and their
consequences has spawned a branch of science called
space weather.
As the sun rotates on its 27-day cycle, active
regions that include concentrations of sunspots move
from the far side of the sun to face Earth. But even
before the active regions become visible, they send out
characteristic sound waves that reverberate through the
sun’s interior.
“These waves reflect all the way through the sun,”
Braun said.
The SOHO imager can spot the ripples on the sun’s
surface generated by those sound waves, just as
seismic instruments on Earth can pick up the
reverberations of distant earthquakes.
It takes the waves about six hours to rebound from
the far side of the sun through the interior, along a path
that ricochets off the surface. Lindsey and Braun found
that active regions have strong magnetic fields that
speed up the sound waves by six to 12 seconds. The
difference becomes evident when sound waves shuttling
back and forth get out of step with one another, they
reported.
SOHO data for March 28-29, 1998, revealed a
sunspot group on the far side that was not plainly visible
on the near side until 10 days later, they said.
Observations for 24 hours were more than sufficient to
detect the sunspots.




 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 176 of 235: Ginny  (vibrown) * Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (00:40) * 5 lines 
 
Hmm, looks like we've had a little "conversational entropy" (which is typical for most of my conversations) while I've been away... ;-)

To follow the Greek/Roman mythology thread... We could use the Greek pronounciation of Uranus - "oo-ra-NOS", which means "sky". The sky and the earth were the father and mother of the Titans, which included Kronos (Saturn), which means "time".

Funny how one can loose two moons! ("Now where did I put those silly things...?") Great to see the Hubble doing its job, though!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 177 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (17:45) * 1 lines 
 
Please do keep the other stuff going in here and I will put the extra-terrestrial stuff in geo 24 where it more properly belongs. A third and socially acceptable pronunciation of Uranus. Like it.. we are now talking about noses...rather, NOS's


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 178 of 235: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (19:31) * 3 lines 
 
the extra-terrestrial can go in para/ufo and alien theories...

so now we're talking about noses?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 179 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (19:34) * 3 lines 
 
If we use the original Greek pronounciation! *lol* Soon we will not have any idea of what the other is speaking with the various "dialects" and socially acceptable ways of saying it. How to confuse the issue BIG time!

Yup! Sending the ufos and their passengers over to you...Not my thing, actually.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 180 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (19:40) * 1 lines 
 
Actually, extra-terrestrial in Geo-terms means Beyond Earth which is why I named the topic thusly. Extra-terrestrial would have attracted much a different clientele. *grin*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 181 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (05:18) * 1 lines 
 
Talking about beyond the earth = got into a discussion with a Jewish friend of ours on the word Nephalim - or giants who slept with the children of men. He went on to say that there was some grounds for thinking Zeus, Jupiter, Hercules etc. from Greek Mythology - perhaps even Mithras, some Egyptian Myths would refer to the same beings not from this world. They were prevalent pre-flood - and from our studies of the great rift valley near Eilat there is definite proof of a great flood of some sort some thousands of years ago. Is this relevant to this one if not please Marcia put into the relevant one. Anne.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 182 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (05:20) * 1 lines 
 
By the way it can be found in the Old Testament - Genesis in relation to Noah. Its an interesting topic and some would say the ley lines, anti-magnetic forms of travelling came from that time. I must get Elliot to perhaps share some of his thoughts. He is quite a scholar.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 183 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (13:08) * 1 lines 
 
I'm going to create a topic for creation-of-the-Earth lore and mythology. Please encourage your friend to contribute. This one is fine to start off with and please consult the newest topic Geo 28. (Happy me!)


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 184 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (16:10) * 2 lines 
 
I once took a class on the Book of Genesis. I was confused at the end of the class; I had know idea what was up with the Book of Genesis. To start with in Hebrew God is sometimes referred to as singular and sometimes as plural. (God is always referred to as masculine singular, never feminine singular.) Back to God as plural -- there is a passage where God says that we have done well. Who exactly is he talking to, can't be angels, they didn't have a hand in creation. Then there are the passages regarding the sons of God, but sometimes called the sons of the gods, who came down to Earth and lay with the daughters of men. thus giving rise to the giants who walked the Earth. Oh to backtrack, Cain is banished, goes off and founds the first city, and has a family. Where did these other people come from to populate the city and to provide Cain with a wife.
Which leads to my embarassing gaffe in understanding the Scriptures. I thought Adam was practicing beastiality with the animals in the Garden, that was why God felt that it was not good for him to be alone. So God provided him with a companion. This is where things really got wierd. There is the tradition of Lilith, the first wife of Adam, who refused to assume a subserviant sexual position to Adam, fled to the Red Sea, and became the consort of Satan. To be fair the Lilith tradition states that she was created at the same time as Adam and as she fled Eden before the Fall retained her immortality. Then there is the tradition of the first Eve, she was created after Adam, from the same dust as he. God did not cause Adam to sleep and he saw her entire creation. It disgusted him, so much he wouldn't even go near her. I have no idea what happened to the first Eve so the way could be open for the second Eve. She who is said to be the Mother of Us All, although maybe not of Cain's wife.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 185 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (16:18) * 1 lines 
 
Right you are..Cheryl! I tool OT as literature in College just prior to taking OT archaeology. Elohim is plural! Gods made heaven and earth. We need to take this discussion to Geo 28... May I transplant your comments there?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 186 of 235: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (16:19) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, feel free to move them.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 187 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (16:32) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks - I just did =) I opened a most interesting topic, I think. Now, if we can just keep from offending anyone...


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 188 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (11:10) * 9 lines 
 
The LeyLines should be hopping this week:

SPACE WEATHER NEWS: On March 25, 2000, a solar flare erupted near
the center of the Sun's disk. It appears that a coronal mass
ejection was launched toward Earth. An interplanetary shock wave
could pass our planet during the next 24 to 48 hours, triggering
moderate geomagnetic activity and aurorae. For more information
and daily updates please visit http://www.spaceweather.com .



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 189 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Apr 25, 2000 (14:07) * 11 lines 
 
NASA Science News for April 25, 2000

Stargazers around the globe were treated to an unexpected and rare
display of red-colored aurora on April 6-7, 2000, after a vigorous
interplanetary shock wave passed by Earth. This story includes a
gallery of more than 40 images showing the aurora borealis from
Europe and over parts of the United States as far south as Florida.
FULL STORY at

http://www.spacescience.com/headlines/y2000/ast25apr_1m.htm



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 190 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Apr 25, 2000 (14:28) * 73 lines 
 


Alabama

Germany

Texas
Larger images are available of the above pictured posted above.


Brushfires in the Sky
Stargazers around the globe were treated to an unexpected and rare display of red-colored aurora on April 6-7, 2000.

April 25, 2000 -- Two weeks ago star gazers around the
world were outdoors in force. The moon, Jupiter, Saturn
and Mars were clustered together in the evening sky on
April 6 for a picturesque display just after sunset. With
cameras poised to record the spectacle, observers were
treated to a dazzling show -- but it wasn't the show they
expected. The sky, instead of darkening as the sun sank
below the western horizon, turned vivid red, then green
and shimmering yellow. It was a rare and unexpected
display of aurora borealis seen as far south as Texas and
Florida.

"My intent was to capture the crescent moon along with
Saturn, Jupiter and Mars," said Keith Cooley, an amateur
astrophotographer in Athens, Alabama. "The aurora flare
up was sudden and without warning! It was my first
observation ever of such an event."

Above: Keith Cooley captured this photo of the planets against a backdrop of reddish-colored
Northern Lights from his backyard in Athens Alabama on April 6, 2000, at 8:30 p.m. Central Daylight
Time. (Camera: Cannon AE-1; F-stop: 1.8; film: Polaroid 400 ASA; exposure time: 10-20 seconds)

The celestial display started around 1630 UT on April 6 when a powerful
interplanetary shock wave passed by the Earth. Aurora borealis were observed
almost immediately over Asia and Europe. Auroras, or "Northern Lights", are usually
confined to high latitudes, but this was the biggest geomagnetic storm in years. By
2000 UT, observers in central Europe were reporting colorful lights in the sky.

"Aurora borealis is a rare event in our area, so to see
it for the very first time is impressive -- to see a display
like [this was] really dazzling!" recounted Ron Baart of
Warmenhuizen, Holland. "It was about 8:55 p.m. local
time [on April 6] that we saw a pillar of red light in the
northern sky ....also green-blue to white features could
be seen dancing in the heavens."

Left: Juergen Rendtel snapped this photo from Marquardt (near
Potsdam), Germany. (camera: f/4, f=20 mm lens; film: Ektapress 1600; exposure time: 15-30
seconds).

By the time night fell over North America, the geomagnetic storm was beginning to
subside, but not before auroras were spotted in at least 23 states. Reports poured in
from as far south as Florida and as far west as Utah.

"Most of northwest Colorado was cloud-covered the night of April 6," recalls James
Westlake, Professor of Astronomy at Colorado Mountain College in Steamboat
Springs, CO, "so I took a group of SKY Club members ... west into Utah. We weren't
disappointed. From near Moab, Utah, we watched the pink and green fountains spurt
above the northern horizon for several hours around midnight!"

In the Big Bend region of Texas, observers at the McDonald Observatory were
surprised when the sky suddenly turned red during a star party.

"Sometime between 9:30 and 10 p.m. CDT, one of [the Observatory's] Public Affairs
staff, Mr. William Wren, was doing a private star party for some folks when he spotted
what he at
first thought to be a brush fire," wrote Frank Cianciolo, a public affairs officer at the
University of Texas. "He quickly realized the truth of the matter, grabbed our digital
still camera and popped off a small panoramic showing the aurora and one of our
public domes (pictured above)."



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 191 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Apr 25, 2000 (14:30) * 2 lines 
 
Texas



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 192 of 235: GeoLady  (MarciaH) * Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (19:34) * 29 lines 
 
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 17 - April 28, 2000

Sunspots and solar flux were up this week. The average sunspot
number was up over 40 points and average solar flux rose over 30
points over the past week. Geomagnetic indices have been mostly
quiet, with April 24 the most active day.

Last week's bulletin ARLP016 said that the solar flux should be up
around 220 this weekend, but conditions are not cooperating.
Although activity has been higher this week than last, it is not as
high as expected.

Solar flux is expected to hover around 175 to 185 until April 8,
then dip below 170, and rise to around 200 from May 19 through 28.
The planetary A index prediction indicates unsettled conditions for
Friday. The A index should stay quiet from this weekend until May 6
and 7, when it may rise to 15.

Predicted solar flux for the next five days, Friday through Tuesday
is 180, 175, 175, 180 and 180.

Sunspot numbers for April 20 through 26 were 179, 211, 226, 252,
222, 229 and 197 with a mean of 216.6. 10.7 cm flux was 180.6,
187.3, 201.8, 206.1, 205.6, 202.5 and 189.9, with a mean of 196.3,
and estimated planetary A indices were 14, 10, 7, 8, 21, 6 and 4,
with a mean of 10.





 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 193 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, May  1, 2000 (22:41) * 30 lines 
 
these were posted in the Radio Conference but I am moving them here where they are more like what Geomagnetism is all about:

_cosmo_ (aa9il) * Mon, May 1, 2000 (22:05) * 22 lines
Hi Marcia
This is a bit of a stray from the boatanchor thread but another
interest of mine is in VLF, ELF, and down. There is an interesting
club called the LWCA (Long Wave Club of America) - there is a
'Sounds of Natural Radio' section which deals with sferics,
whistlers, dawn chorus, etc. There are some experimenters who
monitor the SLF frequencies for signals generated by Mother Earth
(earth quakes, the magnetosphere, etc...) This is much more
suited for the Geo section where I can move this thread to.
The only radio I have that goes down that low is a Watkins
Johnson set that tunes down to 6khz. Have never heard anything
down there except for Omega navigation. There is also FSK and
CW signals from the Navy which uses the low frequencies to transmit
to subs. I think there was once an ELF transmitter in Wisconsin
who's antenna covered lots of miles. There are man made signals from
1khz down to 1hz no doubt but you do not read about them in
the paper...
3's and 8's
de secret agent mike


Marcia: * Mon, May 1, 2000 (22:38) * 3 lines
Oooh! Great stuff, Mike! you can also hear distant lightning as it strikes the ground, with the right frequency terraphones.
Love this thread and no one has discussed anything like it in Geo, though that is why I set up Geomagnetism (topic 27)
wanna continue there? I'll paste these two posts there and continue.
3's n 8's
Marcia, who's delighted...


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 194 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, May  1, 2000 (22:45) * 2 lines 
 
I should have created GeoPhonics just for Mike. Too slow on the switch tonight.
We had a Loran station at the north tip of this island, and for miles, any radio would pick it up. Most obtrusive. Those sub communication arrays do use up huge areas of land and broadcast some where around 7 Hz (or is that MHz?) Have only heard them once, but it is a curious sound. Then there are those who are sure teh Tesla folks are changing the weather using other aesoteric frequencies.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 195 of 235: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Wed, May  3, 2000 (21:45) * 40 lines 
 
Hi Marcia

Ok, finally made it here....
First, regarding the Ley lines - saw an interesting journal out
of the UK called "Ley Hunter" which provided serious research
towards the study of ley lines. There was mention of a study
of the earth mounds in Wisconsin which showed some ley line
characteristics. The area where I live was a much traveled
area for the ancient tribes (north/south waterways). Of
course, there is also Lake Michigan... I am pretty sure
there are ley lines running through the geographical area
of Enchanted Rock near Fredricksburg Texas as well as the
West Texas regions where the rock walls are covered with
pictographs.

Re the ELF stuff - I will have to find the web pages regarding
this but there are groups that study pressure waves, earthquakes,
etc - there are super low frequency receivers (actually amplifiers)
that integrate signals over long periods of time - the resulting
data is then 'spead up' to reveal acoustic tweeks and such.

No doubt there are man made signals in the below 1khz range although
the data rate would be very slow (hence the long integration time)
Not quite sure what kind of valid data could be sent aside from
three letter code groups or something.

The natural signals are probably alot more fun to listen to.
For a good receiver design, do a web search on project INSPIRE
which was a Nasa experiment that involved vlf signals sent from
the space shuttle - I think the project didnt work but so many
people were listening to the receivers during that time that
it was the first instance such large amounts of data was collected
of natural radio signals.

Finally, will have to save a posting on Tesla experiments although
I would like to build a high power tesla coil to goof around with.

mike aka cosmo
AA9IL



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 196 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May  3, 2000 (22:00) * 9 lines 
 
Gads! So much good stuff in your post, Mike! Aloha and big thanks. Want to take it to Radio conference and name it.... (your call - !) Tesla probably belongs there too, unless you want one in here called Sounds of the Earth (or whatever)

I have heard of The Ley Hunter and there are websites all over the net concerning them. There are also E lines (look back through this topic - there are maps and people from England who posted their experiences with ley lines)

Any thoughts on Crop Cicrles? I created Earth Mysteries for the far outside of "scientific" thought. I posted a fractal which will knock your sox off!


I am SO delighted to know the various interests which entertain you - they also fascinate me!



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 197 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, May  5, 2000 (18:00) * 36 lines 
 
http://www.cryptome.org/twa800-emi.htm

Special Supplement

The Fall of TWA 800:

The Possibility of Electromagnetic Interference

By Elaine Scarry

Elaine Scarry teaches at Harvard University, where she
is Cabot Professor of Aesthetics and the General Theory
of Value. Her writings include The Body in Pain and
articles on war and the social contract.
Reconstructing the wreckage of TWA 800 in a Long island hangar, November, 1997.
The piles of wire visible in the foreground are only a part of the plane's 150 miles of wiring.

For more than a year, the inquiry into the fall of TWA 800 has addressed three questions: whether mechanical trouble
can be ruled out, whether a bomb inside the plane can be ruled out. whether a missile or other high-velocity object (such
as a meteorite) can be ruled out. But there is a fourth possibility that has been ignored and that needs to be raised in the
inquiry.

To a civilian, the phrase "electromagnetic interference" may at first sound puzzling, even though every commercial flight
begins with the instruction to passengers to turn off during takeoff all computers, headsets, radios, and telephones. The
power radiated by these objects is tiny. But their emissions can travel out of the cabin windows to the antennas on the
outer body of the plane; therefore the FAA regulation requiring airlines to prohibit passenger use of such objects has
remained firmly in place.1 Interference from military equipment can be thousands, even millions, of times as great,2 and
can have much more serious consequences for airborne planes. Because ten military planes and ships were in the
vicinity of TWA 800 that night, we need to ask the airmen and sailors on the planes and ships to describe with precision
the pieces of equipment that were in use.

HOW REAL IS THE PROBLEM
OF HIGH INTENSITY RADIATED
FIELDS?

Much more follows - please visit the url and let me know what you think.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 198 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Sat, May  6, 2000 (02:09) * 1 lines 
 
Hi, reminded me of a frightening experience my husband I had coming out of Israel in the early 1980's. New plane, new electonics, everything supposed to be perfect but just before crossing over Cyprus everything went off. The pilot himself came out and send nothing to worry about! That was it we all worried. We managed to land in Nicosia Airport to ostensibly refuel. We took off again - things seemed to be going okay until time to land at Gatwick. A friend was watching us land as he had brought our car with him. No lights could be seen on the plane except inner lighting - and it become obvious the pilot was concerned after we landed. They theorised later someone in the plane was using their eletronic equipment!!! It had messed up the electrics in the plane and we were apparently lucky to arrive at our destination so they said! Okay it was a long time ago - but the memory remains - I wonder on reading that article whether or not it was an outside influence too.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 199 of 235: anne hale  (ommin) * Sat, May  6, 2000 (02:10) * 1 lines 
 
P.S. Elaine Scarry has an appropriate name!!!!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 200 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, May  6, 2000 (12:57) * 1 lines 
 
Ms Scarry does have an appropriate name. If you ever beome a white-knuckle flier, you have plenty of excuses. That must have been worrisome in the least and frightening at worst!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 201 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May  7, 2000 (15:29) * 60 lines 
 
http://www.sciencenews.org/20000506/fob5.asp
Intergalactic magnetism runs deep and wide
P. Weiss
Hunting for magnetic energy in intergalactic space, researchers have found an unexpected motherlode of it. Both in the gaps between galaxies that are clustered and in the lonelier neighborhoods outside those clusters, magnetic fields are remarkably strong, a scientific team reports.

As their hunt widens, the scientists find that they are detecting more extensive fields, says Philipp P. Kronberg of the University of Toronto, leader of the decades-long search. Kronberg reported the results April 29 at an American
Physical Society meeting in Long Beach, Calif.

This is evidence of a tremendous energy source that astronomers have overlooked, comments theorist Stirling A. Colgate of Los Alamos (N.M.) National Laboratory. At the meeting, he argued that enormous dynamos powered by black holes have cranked up these intergalactic magnetic fields. Other researchers suspect instead that the fields arose during the early history of the universe.

The magnetic field observations might help researchers understand the origins of the highest-energy cosmic rays and, ultimately, sort out whether magnetic fields have helped shape the universe.

One way that astronomers measure cosmic magnetic field strengths is by detecting how light from more distant quasars rotates its angle of polarization as it travels through a region of interest, say a galaxy or galaxy cluster. The stronger the magnetism there or the denser the gas that the field pervades, the more the field rotates the light's polarization. To estimate the magnetic field strength, researchers compare the polarizations of quasar light that does and doesn't pass through the region, and they use data from an X-ray telescope to determine the density of the region's gas.

A decade ago, Kronberg and other coworkers made such a calculation for Earth's largest nearby galaxy cluster—the Coma cluster in the constellation Coma Berenices. This cluster lies about 300 million light-years away. The scientists found to their surprise that the cluster's dilute intergalactic gas had magnetic fields of 2 to 3 microgauss (µG), similar in strength to those in the Milky Way.

Because the Coma cluster has some unusual traits, the investigators remained uncertain about whether most clusters have potent magnetic fields. Other research groups have since measured other cluster fields. Some have reported still higher magnetic fields in regions where gravity strongly compresses
a cluster's gas.

At this week's meeting, Kronberg described extending the Coma cluster experiment to 24 clusters near Earth, purposely avoiding compressed regions. He finds on the average even higher field strengths, about 5 µG, than he did a decade ago.
"That tells us there's significant energy in space contained in the [intergalactic] magnetic fields," he says.

"I'm surprised, very surprised," says Russell M. Kulsrud of
Princeton University, adding that he harbors some doubts that
the strengths "are quite as high as [Kronberg] said." But even if
the field strengths are a bit smaller, he adds, "they are still . . .
very difficult to explain."

To investigate the spatial extent of intergalactic fields, the
researchers took a different tack. In the presence of a
magnetic field, charged particles moving at velocities near the
speed of light give off so-called synchrotron radiation. Mapping
synchrotron radiation from a patch of sky with a radio
telescope indicates both where and how strong magnetic fields are.

About a decade ago, Kronberg and his coworkers had picked
up synchrotron-radiation signals indicating field strengths
outside the Coma cluster of a hundredth to a few tenths of the
cluster's field strengths. Those first fields to be detected
outside a cluster extended millions of light-years beyond the cluster's bounds.

Radio-telescope improvements since then have made it
possible for researchers to search for magnetic fields across a
much larger patch of sky and to do so at lower frequencies,
which are sensitive to weaker radiation, Kronberg says. In a
test of that capability, he and his colleagues used the Very
Large Array of radio dishes at Socorro, N.M., to look again at
the environs of the Coma cluster.

The new radio image shows essentially the same pattern of
extended fields. However, it also contains patches of fields
having roughly equivalent strength much further from Coma and
extending into the surrounding population of galaxies. The
image "confirms that these magnetic fields really exist in
intergalactic space," Kronberg claims.

Calling both sets of findings "very intriguing," Eugene N.Parker of the University of Chicago insists they offer no easy answers about the origins and influences of cosmic magnetic fields. Rather, he says, they are "a warning flag" indicating that scientists don't really understand how magnetic fields work.





 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 202 of 235: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Sun, May  7, 2000 (22:24) * 15 lines 
 
Greetings all

The Longwave Club of America has a web page
check out:
www.lwca.org

The club membership is $18 a year (US) and includes
the LowDown magazine.
Most excellent

Membership address is:
Long Wave Club of America
45 Wildflower Road
Levittown PA 19057-3209



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 203 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May  7, 2000 (22:28) * 6 lines 
 
Thanks, Mike! I'll make that a hotlink...

The Longwave Club of America has a web page check out:
http://www.lwca.org

I expect I shall join, if the magazine is most excellent. High praise, indeed!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 204 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May  7, 2000 (22:31) * 1 lines 
 
Something like telling them how to hear the remnants of The Big Bang should bring in some eager followers of the casual Geo visitors and lurkers. Or is that not what those sounds are thought to be nowadays? You tell'um. They'll be amazed!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 205 of 235: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Tue, Dec  4, 2001 (05:14) * 11 lines 
 
This is a very interesting topic. Let us give life to it!

What Is The Relationship Between Magnetization, Water, Health and Aging?

......Electromagnetic energy is a dominating factor in human functioning. It helps the body regulate and maintain biological integrity. The healing potential of magnetic energy is possible because the nervous system is governed by varying patterns of currents in the electromagnetic field. The magnetic field stimulates metabolism and increases the oxygen supply to cells. Magnetic field frequencies help produce an orderly alignment of molecules within the cells, therefore creating an equally orderly process of carrying nutrients into the cells and removing toxins and wastes from the cells. It can be thought of as a river: magnetization is like a calm river with currents flowing in one direction. Non-magnetization is like a river with strong currents flowing in all directions, creating chaos..........

Full description here:
http://www.ohno.org/rsrch/magnet_rltnshp.asp.

If this is true then why we live in houses which keep away from geomagnetic and geoelectric fields? Can someone tell us more?
John



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 206 of 235: gHost  (wolf) * Tue, Dec  4, 2001 (21:11) * 1 lines 
 
i think we live in houses to avoid weather and each other! *LAUGH*


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 207 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec  5, 2001 (13:13) * 30 lines 
 
John, I will check on it more. I know selling various magnets to attach to the body is now a profitable business. Those who wore them once - that I know - have taken them off due to lack of result. I wonder if houses aligned by Feng Shui act as collectors or maginfiers of magnetic resonanaces.


From... http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/feng-shui.html

SpiritWeb Org · An Approach of Spiritual Consciousness

Healing Schools / Techniques : Yan Xin Qigong · The History & Application of Tai Chi Chuan · Feng Shui and Qi · Reiki Natural Healing ·
Kundalini · Ayurveda · Pranic Healing · Gemstones & Vibrational Healing · Ascension · Chakras · Huna, Healing and Ohana · Bach Flower
Remedies · Radiatory and Kundalini Healing · Homeopathy · Sacred Sound/Sacred Geometry · Applied Kinesiology · Body-Mind
Integration in the Personal Growth .. · The Ama Deus Shaman Healing System


SpiritWeb: Feng Shiu, An Introduction by Jenny Liu


What is feng shui? Feng shui is a philosophy that creates an environment which is ergonomic; it lets us work
efficiently, comfortably and successfully by following the patterns of nature. Think of yourself as a boat, it is
simply easier and more effective to sail with the current and wind rather than against it. This idea is one of the
basic concepts of feng shui. Imagine your house as an extension of yourself, like a shirt that you can wear. If you
were to wear the shirt so that your neck were to fit through the sleeve, you probably would not function very well,
finding it very constrictive and hard to breathe. In feng shui, a house is designed to fit the body comfortably,
orientated to allow the body to take in vital energy or qi so that is can funtion effectively. There are many aspects
to getting dressed for success - you can't just put on a shoe and walk out the door for an interview. Similarly,
there are many aspects to understanding and designing with feng shui. It is not just about orientation and
opening the door in the right direction. It is about being aware and in tune with yourself and your environment: the
combination of interior and exterior space, light, sounds, smells, materials, furniture arrangement, etc. and how
they affect your metal and physical energy. In the philosphy of feng shui, everything has qi or the ability to affect
you, regardless of your awareness. Feng shui theories guide us in creating an environment tailored to promote
our individual well-being.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 208 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec  5, 2001 (13:18) * 1 lines 
 
I'm inclined to agree with Wolfie. The British have been big on geo-magnetic lines called Ley-lines, but just since the 1800's. I have gone into much of this in Geo 31 and early in Geo 17. I am not convinced scientifically or intellectually that this phenomenon has been investigated by the right people or that it even exists. However, I have dowsed for the missing water pipes around my house succesfully. Not even I believed it when the rods moved to indicate a force field.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 209 of 235: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Fri, Dec  7, 2001 (04:25) * 9 lines 
 
Hello Marcia, Wolfie, and all
I believe only physics and its results. I believe also in nature’s properties and I worry if they are absent from our environment. Surely harmony it plays significant role in our life but this is other story.

I gave you only the half reality just for starting. Together with Geomagnetic Field is surrounding us the Geo-Electric Field. We live atop an ocean of negative charge that generates an electric field of approximately 100 volts per meter elevation (in sea level high). In other words, when you are standing, your head is an about 200 volts greater than your feet. And when a thunderstorm passes overhead, the electric fields can increase to thousands of volts per meter. Fortunately, there is very little free charge (unattached electrons and positive ions) in the air around us, and so these high voltages cannot create any large currents, which would otherwise surely electrocute us.

Wolfie, we avoid many things inside our house including the weather, "each other", and....NATURE! We can discuss about all things. But, I will stay only on scientific explanations.

John



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 210 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec  7, 2001 (15:57) * 5 lines 
 
Your scientific approach is greatly appreciated, John. Your familiarity with physics is so complete I wonder that you can explain things so we can understand them. This is much appreciated and necessary for a good discussion and educated conclusions. I have not burned the alcohol in the metal cup with wires in the right places, but I shall. (Don't ask!)

Yes, I also know the other questions you asked last night. For some reason I had the wrong image stuck in my mind. It was not a good day here and I was not my best, as you discovered. More on that another time.

Mankind will pay for his lack of contact with Nature. We have lost much of the sensitivity I suspect we once had. What we don't understand, we tend to abuse and ultimately the loss is ours.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 211 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec  9, 2001 (18:20) * 67 lines 
 
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PRELIMINARY DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

09 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based in-part on SEC Data.)
(The final report will be released tommorrow.)


PRELIMINARY SOLAR & GEOPHYSICAL INDICES FOR 09 DECEMBER, 2001
-------------------------------------------------------------

DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 224.7, 224.2, 226.6 sfu.
Predicted Solar Flux for Next 3 Days: 215, 210, 210.
Average 90-day Solar Flux: 219.
Current Middle Latitude A-Index: 3
Current Boulder K-Indices: 0112 210*
Current Planetary K-Indices: 2001 112*
Boulder A-Index 3-Day Forecast: 12, 10, 7.
Planetary A-Index 3-Day Forecast: 12, 10, 8.


SYNOPSIS OF TODAYS ACTIVITY
---------------------------

Solar activity has been low during the past 24 hours.
Region 9727 (S20W10) produced today's largest flare: a C6/1f at 1541
utc. There were several additional C-class flares during the day:
most of these were from regions 9727 and 9733 (N14E58). However, a
C2 flare at 0421 utc was observed to originate from the southeast
limb and was associated with a narrow-width cme. The region
subsequently rotated into view and was assigned 9734 (S12E81).
Region 9727 showed some growth today with the development of spots
north of the dominant leader spot.

Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be low
to moderate during the next three days. The main sources for
activity are expected to be region 9727 and region 9733.

The geomagnetic field was quiet during the past 24 hours.

Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is
expected to be mostly unsettled for the next two days. Quiet to
unsettled levels are expected on the third day.

Event probabilities 10 dec-12 dec

Class M 60/60/60
Class X 10/10/10
Proton 10/10/10
PCAF green

Geomagnetic activity probabilities 10 dec-12 dec
A. Middle Latitudes
Active 25/20/20
Minor storm 15/10/10
Major-severe storm 05/01/01

B. High Latitudes
Active 30/25/25
Minor storm 20/15/15
Major-severe storm 05/01/01

** End of Daily Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 212 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 10, 2001 (19:19) * 110 lines 
 
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DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

09 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)


SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 09 DECEMBER, 2001
------------------------------------------------------------

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 343, 12/09/01
10.7 FLUX=224.2 90-AVG=219 SSN=225 BKI=0112 2102 BAI=003
BGND-XRAY=C1.5 FLU1=*.*E+** FLU10=*.*E+** PKI=2001 1121 PAI=003
BOU-DEV=***,***,***,***,***,***,***,*** DEV-AVG=*** NT SWF=00:000
XRAY-MAX= C6.9 @ 1541UT XRAY-MIN= C1.2 @ 0411UT XRAY-AVG= C2.1
NEUTN-MAX= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-MIN= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.0%
PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-MIN= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-MIN=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-AVG=00000NT
GOES9-MAX=P:+111NT@ 1757UT GOES9-MIN=N:-004NT@ 2016UT G9-AVG=+95,+39,-01
GOES8-MAX=P:+111NT@ 2154UT GOES8-MIN=N:+012NT@ 1127UT G8-AVG=+93,+15,+16
FLUXFCST=STD:215,210,210;SESC:215,210,210 BAI/PAI-FCST=012,010,007/012,010,008
KFCST=**** **** **** **** 27DAY-AP=002,003 27DAY-KP=1000 1211 1000 1222
WARNINGS=
ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 08 DEC 01 is not available.
The Full Kp Indices for 09 DEC 01 are: 2- 0+ 0+ 1o 1- 1o 2- 1o
The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 09 DEC 01 are: 6 2 1 5 3 5 6 5
Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 09 DEC is: 2.1E+06
DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 224.7, 224.2, 226.6 sfu.

SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------

Solar activity has been low during the past 24 hours.
Region 9727 (S20W10) produced today's largest flare: a C6/1f at 1541
utc. There were several additional C-class flares during the day:
most of these were from regions 9727 and 9733 (N14E58). However, a
C2 flare at 0421 utc was observed to originate from the southeast
limb and was associated with a narrow-width cme. The region
subsequently rotated into view and was assigned 9734 (S12E81).
Region 9727 showed some growth today with the development of spots
north of the dominant leader spot.

Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be low
to moderate during the next three days. The main sources for
activity are expected to be region 9727 and region 9733.

The geomagnetic field was quiet during the past 24 hours.

Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is
expected to be mostly unsettled for the next two days. Quiet to
unsettled levels are expected on the third day.

Event probabilities 10 dec-12 dec

Class M 60/60/60
Class X 10/10/10
Proton 10/10/10
PCAF green

Geomagnetic activity probabilities 10 dec-12 dec

A. Middle Latitudes
Active 25/20/20
Minor storm 15/10/10
Major-severe storm 05/01/01

B. High Latitudes
Active 30/25/25
Minor storm 20/15/15
Major-severe storm 05/01/01

COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SEC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
=======================================================

Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 09/2400Z
-----------------------------------------------------
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
9717 N05W88 097 0070 Hsx 03 01 Alpha
9718 S06W76 085 0280 Dao 09 10 Beta
9720 S28W63 072 0040 Dso 10 09 Beta
9721 N11W64 073 0110 Dao 05 03 Beta
9723 S05W68 077 0040 Cso 05 03 Beta
9724 N10W33 042 0030 Hsx 02 01 Alpha
9726 S16W22 031 0040 Dso 05 08 Beta
9727 S20W10 019 0360 Dai 09 23 Beta-Gamma-Delta
9728 N35W71 080 0050 Eso 12 05 Beta
9731 N25W04 013 0010 Bxo 06 05 Beta
9732 N04E36 333 0060 Cso 08 04 Beta
9733 N14E58 311 0290 Eai 15 21 Beta
9734 S12E81 288 0050 Cao 10 02 Beta
9729 N23W49 058 Plage
9730 S12W06 015 Plage
Regions Due to Return 10 Dec to 12 Dec
Nmbr Lat Lo
9704 S17 270
9710 S10 247

LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 09 DECEMBER, 2001
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Begin Max End Rgn Loc Xray Op 245MHz 10cm Sweep
0425 0458 0514 9734 C2.6 II

** End of Daily Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 213 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 11, 2001 (17:42) * 105 lines 
 
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DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

10 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)

SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 10 DECEMBER, 2001
------------------------------------------------------------

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 344, 12/10/01
10.7 FLUX=219.0 90-AVG=219 SSN=224 BKI=0021 2211 BAI=003
BGND-XRAY=C1.3 FLU1=*.*E+** FLU10=*.*E+** PKI=1121 2211 PAI=004
BOU-DEV=***,***,***,***,***,***,***,*** DEV-AVG=*** NT SWF=02:007
XRAY-MAX= C8.7 @ 0938UT XRAY-MIN= C1.3 @ 0032UT XRAY-AVG= C2.2
NEUTN-MAX= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-MIN= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.0%
PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-MIN= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-MIN=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-AVG=00000NT
GOES9-MAX=P:+119NT@ 1433UT GOES9-MIN=N:-004NT@ 1107UT G9-AVG=+96,+36,-01
GOES8-MAX=P:+111NT@ 2201UT GOES8-MIN=E:+007NT@ 0612UT G8-AVG=+92,+14,+17
FLUXFCST=STD:215,215,210;SESC:215,215,210 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,007,007/008,008,008
KFCST=**** **** **** **** 27DAY-AP=003,003 27DAY-KP=1000 1222 0010 1121
WARNINGS=
ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 09 DEC 01 is not available.
The Full Kp Indices for 10 DEC 01 are: 1- 1- 2- 1- 2+ 2- 1o 1o
The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 10 DEC 01 are: 4 3 6 3 10 6 5 5
Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 10 DEC is: 2.2E+06
DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 222.2, 219.0, 222.6 sfu.

SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------
Solar activity was low. Region 9727 (S21W24) produced
today's largest event, a C8/sf at 0938 utc. The region produced
additional C-class subflares during the period. The group has shown
an increase in area of about 35%. The growth primarily consisted of
emerging positive polarity flux just north of the dominant negative
leader spots. The merging of these opposite polarities across an
east west inversion line has led to the formation of a strong delta
configuration in the region. Region 9733 (N14E44) is the other
region of note on the disk: the group has more clearly rotated into
view with a beta-gamma magnetic configuration and produced a couple
C-class subflares during the day. A seventeen degree filament near
N39E24 disappeared sometime between 0116 utc and 0545 utc.
Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be
mostly moderate for the next three days. There is a small chance,
however, for a major flare or a proton producing flare from region
9727, especially if magnetic flux continues to emerge.
The geomagnetic field has been quiet during the past 24 hours.
Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is
expected to be quiet to unsettled during the next three days.
Event probabilities 11 dec-13 dec
Class M 80/80/80
Class X 20/20/20
Proton 20/20/20
PCAF green

Geomagnetic activity probabilities 11 dec-13 dec

A. Middle Latitudes
Active 25/20/20
Minor storm 15/10/10
Major-severe storm 05/01/01

B. High Latitudes
Active 30/25/25
Minor storm 15/10/10
Major-severe storm 05/01/01

COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SEC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
=======================================================

Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 10/2400Z
-----------------------------------------------------
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
9718 S06W89 085 0200 Dao 08 03 Beta
9720 S28W73 069 0010 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
9721 N11W79 075 0100 Dso 04 02 Beta
9723 S05W81 077 0010 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
9724 N10W48 044 0030 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
9726 S16W37 033 0020 Dro 06 06 Beta
9727 S21W24 020 0550 Dkc 10 31 Beta-Gamma-Delta
9728 N35W90 086 0020 Hsx 02 01 Alpha
9732 N04E20 336 0040 Hsx 02 02 Alpha
9733 N14E44 312 0360 Eai 14 27 Beta-Gamma
9734 S12E65 291 0030 Hsx 02 01 Alpha
9735 N10W34 030 0020 Bxo 03 02 Beta
9736 S09W27 023 0010 Bxo 03 03 Beta
9737 S27E52 304 0010 Bxo 03 03 Beta
9729 N23W62 058 Plage
9730 S12W19 015 Plage
9731 N25W17 013 Plage
Regions Due to Return 11 Dec to 13 Dec
Nmbr Lat Lo
9710 S10 247

LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 10 DECEMBER, 2001
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Begin Max End Rgn Loc Xray Op 245MHz 10cm Sweep
0931 0938 0943 9727 S25W19 C8.6 Sf 410 110 II


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 214 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (13:23) * 32 lines 
 
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MAJOR SOLAR FLARE ALERT

ISSUED: 05:30 UTC, 12 DECEMBER 2001

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A major class X2.8/SF solar flare erupted from Region 9733 at 08:08 UTC
on 11 December. Available data suggests this event was probably a
proton-bearing solar flare. We have begun observing an increase in energetic
proton populations at greater than 10 MeV. This activity may be due to the
flare, or perhaps to the shock accleration properties of the outwardly
propagating coronal mass ejection.
A partial halo CME was observed following this event. SOHO staff clocked
the CME at approximately 348 km/sec. This does not correlate well with
available Type II data. It is our opinion that the CME velocity is higher
than the indicated plane of sky velocity. A value closer to 700 or 800 km/sec
seems more reasonable.
We are expecting a minor shock to impact the Earth near 15:00 UTC on 14
December, give or take a fair number of hours given the uncertainty in CME
velocity. The presence of gradually increasing high energy protons may lend
stronger support toward a higher velocity CME - assuming the source of the
protons was in fact related to Region 9733 - this is admittedly uncertain. If
a shock impacts the Earth, we predict the IMF will probably initially turn
northward.
We do not expect any strong geophysical effects from this disturbance,
if it arrives as predicted. However, Region 9733 has the potential to produce
additional major solar flares and is gradually moving into a better position
for producing Earthward directed coronal mass ejections.




 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 215 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (17:55) * 118 lines 
 

DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

11 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)


SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 11 DECEMBER, 2001
------------------------------------------------------------

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 345, 12/11/01
10.7 FLUX=220.6 90-AVG=219 SSN=154 BKI=0211 1221 BAI=004
BGND-XRAY=C2.8 FLU1=*.*E+** FLU10=*.*E+** PKI=1101 1222 PAI=004
BOU-DEV=***,***,***,***,***,***,***,*** DEV-AVG=*** NT SWF=02:049
XRAY-MAX= X2.8 @ 0808UT XRAY-MIN= C1.3 @ 0717UT XRAY-AVG= C4.6
NEUTN-MAX= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-MIN= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.0%
PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-MIN= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-MIN=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-AVG=00000NT
GOES9-MAX=P:+117NT@ 1350UT GOES9-MIN=N:-006NT@ 2359UT G9-AVG=+94,+36,-02
GOES8-MAX=P:+113NT@ 1941UT GOES8-MIN=E:+006NT@ 0453UT G8-AVG=+92,+12,+17
FLUXFCST=STD:215,210,210;SESC:215,210,210 BAI/PAI-FCST=007,012,012/008,010,015
KFCST=**** **** **** **** 27DAY-AP=003,007 27DAY-KP=0010 1121 0001 1442
WARNINGS=
ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 10 DEC 01 is not available.
The Full Kp Indices for 11 DEC 01 are: 1- 1- 0+ 1- 1- 2- 2- 2-
The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 11 DEC 01 are: 4 4 2 4 4 6 7 6
Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 11 DEC is: 1.5E+06
DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 223.1, 220.6, 226.5 sfu.


SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------

Solar activity increased to high levels. Region 9733
(N15E32) produced an impulsive X2/sf flare at 11/0808 utc. The flare
was associated with type ii and iv radio sweeps, a 2600 sfu
tenflare, and a coronal mass ejection (cme) that did not appear to
be earth-directed. Region 9733 showed increased area and magnetic
complexity with at least one magnetic delta configuration within its
northern-most trailer spots. Region 9727 (S22W36) produced an
impulsive M1/2n flare at 11/1451 utc associated with relatively
minor radio emission. This region showed minor growth in spot number
and area with two delta magnetic configurations evident within its
large trailing spot mass.

Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be at
moderate to high levels. Isolated M-class flares are expected from
regions 9727 and 9733. Either region could produce a major flare
during the period as well.

Geomagnetic field activity was at quiet levels.

Geophysical activity forecast: geomagnetic field activity is
expected to be at quiet to unsettled levels through the period.
There will be a chance for a proton flare from regions 9727 and
9733.

Event probabilities 12 dec-14 dec

Class M 80/80/80
Class X 20/20/20
Proton 20/20/20
PCAF Yellow

Geomagnetic activity probabilities 12 dec-14 dec

A. Middle Latitudes
Active 15/20/20
Minor storm 05/10/10
Major-severe storm 01/01/01

B. High Latitudes
Active 20/25/25
Minor storm 05/15/15
Major-severe storm 01/01/01


COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SEC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
=======================================================

Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 11/2400Z
-----------------------------------------------------
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
9721 N11W93 076 0060 Dso 04 02 Beta
9724 N08W61 044 0050 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
9727 S21W37 020 0570 Ekc 14 26 Beta-Gamma-Delta
9732 N04E08 335 0060 Cso 07 02 Beta
9733 N14E32 311 0470 Eai 14 31 Beta-Gamma
9734 S12E52 291 0070 Hax 02 01 Alpha
9736 S10W42 025 0030 Dao 05 06 Beta
9737 S27E39 304 0120 Dso 05 05 Beta
9720 S28W86 069 Plage
9726 S16W50 033 Plage
9729 N23W74 058 Plage
9730 S12W31 015 Plage
9731 N25W30 013 Plage
9735 N10W47 030 Plage
Regions Due to Return 12 Dec to 14 Dec
Nmbr Lat Lo
9710 S10 247


LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 11 DECEMBER, 2001
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Begin Max End Rgn Loc Xray Op 245MHz 10cm Sweep
0255 0256 0257 160
0330 0343 0347 C3.4 420
0758 0808 0814 9733 N16E41 X2.8 Sf 450 2600 II/IV
1442 1451 1457 9727 S26W35 M1.3 2n 1200 50


** End of Daily Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 216 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 13, 2001 (17:57) * 115 lines 
 
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DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

12 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)

SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 12 DECEMBER, 2001
------------------------------------------------------------

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 346, 12/12/01
10.7 FLUX=236.7 90-AVG=219 SSN=183 BKI=1235 3122 BAI=013
BGND-XRAY=C1.6 FLU1=*.*E+** FLU10=*.*E+** PKI=2225 3233 PAI=012
BOU-DEV=***,***,***,***,***,***,***,*** DEV-AVG=*** NT SWF=04:119
XRAY-MAX= M5.7 @ 2200UT XRAY-MIN= C1.5 @ 1740UT XRAY-AVG= C4.2
NEUTN-MAX= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-MIN= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.0%
PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-MIN= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-MIN=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-AVG=00000NT
GOES9-MAX=P:+129NT@ 1718UT GOES9-MIN=N:-016NT@ 0706UT G9-AVG=+84,+35,-04
GOES8-MAX=P:+123NT@ 1853UT GOES8-MIN=N:-012NT@ 0927UT G8-AVG=+82,+08,+14
FLUXFCST=STD:220,220,210;SESC:220,220,210 BAI/PAI-FCST=012,012,012/012,015,015
KFCST=**** **** **** **** 27DAY-AP=007,008 27DAY-KP=0001 1442 2232 3311
WARNINGS=
ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 11 DEC 01 is not available.
The Full Kp Indices for 12 DEC 01 are: 2- 2- 2- 5- 3- 2o 3- 3-
The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 12 DEC 01 are: 7 7 7 36 12 9 12 11
Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 12 DEC is: 3.1E+07
DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 222.6, 236.7, 251.5 sfu.

SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------
Solar activity decreased to moderate levels. Region
9733 (N14E18) produced an M3/1n flare at 12/1911 utc associated with
a 420 sfu tenflare. This large, complex spot group remained in a
growth phase with a delta magnetic configuration observed within its
northernmost trailer spots. Region 9727 (S21W52) produced occasional
subflares, the largest of which was a C9 at 12/2024 utc. This region
also grew during the period and remained large and complex with
delta magnetic configurations in its interior and trailer spots.
Region 9736 (S09W55) showed minor growth during the period and
produced isolated C-class subflares. New region 9738 (S21E67) was
numbered.
Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be at
moderate to high levels with isolated, low-level M-class flares
likely. There will also be a chance for a major flare from regions
9727 or 9733.
Geomagnetic field activity ranged from quiet to minor storm levels.
Unsettled to minor storm levels occurred during 12/0900 - 1200 utc.
Ace data suggest a solar sector boundary crossing (positive- to
negative-polarity) as the cause for this brief period of increased
activity. Mostly quiet levels occurred during the remainder of the
period.
Geophysical activity forecast: geomagnetic field activity is
expected to be at quiet to unsettled levels during most of the
period. However, brief active periods will be possible during 14 -
15 december due to coronal hole effects. There will be a chance for
a proton flare from regions 9727 or 9733.

Event probabilities 13 dec-15 dec

Class M 80/80/80
Class X 20/20/20
Proton 20/20/20
PCAF yellow
Geomagnetic activity probabilities 13 dec-15 dec

A. Middle Latitudes
Active 20/20/20
Minor storm 10/10/10
Major-severe storm 01/01/01

B. High Latitudes
Active 25/25/25
Minor storm 15/15/15
Major-severe storm 05/05/01

COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SEC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
=======================================================
Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 12/2400Z
-----------------------------------------------------
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
9724 N09W75 045 0030 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
9727 S21W52 022 0600 Ekc 11 23 Beta-Gamma-Delta
9732 N04W05 335 0080 Cso 06 05 Beta
9733 N14E18 312 0560 Eki 14 42 Beta-Gamma-Delta
9734 S12E38 292 0030 Cso 02 02 Beta
9735 N05W61 031 0020 Bxo 02 02 Beta
9736 S09W55 025 0090 Dao 08 07 Beta
9737 S28E26 304 0080 Dao 06 08 Beta
9738 S21E67 263 0050 Cso 07 03 Beta
9726 S16W63 033 Plage
9729 N23W87 058 Plage
9730 S12W44 015 Plage
9731 N25W43 013 Plage
Regions Due to Return 13 Dec to 15 Dec
Nmbr Lat Lo
None

LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 12 DECEMBER, 2001
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Begin Max End Rgn Loc Xray Op 245MHz 10cm Sweep
1845 1845 1846 320
1900 1911 1918 9733 N15E24 M3.0 1n 250 420
1946 1949 1953 1500
2141 2200 2218 9727 M5.6 520
2313 2322 2328 9727 S19W55 M4.8 1f


** End of Daily Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 217 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 14, 2001 (17:42) * 117 lines 
 
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DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

13 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)


SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 13 DECEMBER, 2001
------------------------------------------------------------

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 347, 12/13/01
10.7 FLUX=220.2 90-AVG=218 SSN=212 BKI=2121 0211 BAI=004
BGND-XRAY=C2.1 FLU1=*.*E+** FLU10=*.*E+** PKI=2110 2111 PAI=004
BOU-DEV=***,***,***,***,***,***,***,*** DEV-AVG=*** NT SWF=05:141
XRAY-MAX= X6.2 @ 1430UT XRAY-MIN= C1.5 @ 1358UT XRAY-AVG= C7.5
NEUTN-MAX= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-MIN= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.0%
PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-MIN= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-MIN=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-AVG=00000NT
GOES9-MAX=P:+116NT@ 1732UT GOES9-MIN=N:-006NT@ 0029UT G9-AVG=+80,+45,-00
GOES8-MAX=P:+109NT@ 2059UT GOES8-MIN=E:+005NT@ 0316UT G8-AVG=+76,+15,+14
FLUXFCST=STD:220,220,210;SESC:220,220,210 BAI/PAI-FCST=012,020,025/015,020,025
KFCST=**** **** **** **** 27DAY-AP=008,011 27DAY-KP=2232 3311 2333 4333
WARNINGS=
ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 12 DEC 01 is not available.
The Full Kp Indices for 13 DEC 01 are: 2- 1o 1- 0+ 2- 1o 1o 1-
The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 13 DEC 01 are: 7 5 4 2 6 5 5 4
Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 13 DEC is: 3.0E+07
DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 222.9, 220.2, 215.2 sfu.

SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------
Solar activity was high. Region 9733 (N14E04) produced
an X6.2/3b flare at 13/1430 utc. This event also produced associated
type ii and iv radio sweeps and a partial-halo coronal mass ejection
(cme). This region is continuing to grow more complex, developing a
near horizontal inversion line in its trailing portions. Region 9727
(S21W66) was also quite active during the period, producing three
M-class flares. Region 9727 showed continued growth in size and
complexity during the period. Regions 9727 and 9733 both retain
beta-gamma-delta magnetic classifications. Three new spot groups
were numbered today: 9739 (S13W02), 9740 (S06E56), and 9741
(N07E72).
Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be at
moderate to high levels with isolated M-class flares likely. There
will also be a chance for a major flare from regions 9727 or 9733.
The geomagnetic field was at mostly quiet levels, with an isolated
unsettled period at 12/21-2400 utc.
Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is
expected to be at quiet to unsettled conditions on the first day of
the forecast period. The cme produced by the X6.2 flare should
impact earth late on the second day. The impact is expected to
produce active conditions on the second and third days. Imagery from
the lasco/soho spacecraft show that most of the cme is directed in a
predominately northerly direction, hence the expected effect on
earth should be significantly less than if the cme was more directly
aimed toward earth.

Event probabilities 14 dec-16 dec

Class M 80/80/70
Class X 20/20/15
Proton 20/20/15
PCAF yellow

Geomagnetic activity probabilities 14 dec-16 dec

A. Middle Latitudes
Active 20/30/40
Minor storm 10/20/25
Major-severe storm 01/10/15

B. High Latitudes
Active 25/40/45
Minor storm 15/25/30
Major-severe storm 05/10/10

COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SEC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
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Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 13/2400Z
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Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
9724 N09W88 045 0010 Axx 01 01 Alpha
9727 S21W66 023 0630 Eki 12 24 Beta-Gamma-Delta
9732 N04W18 335 0070 Cao 07 06 Beta
9733 N14E04 313 0490 Ekc 15 46 Beta-Gamma
9734 S12E24 293 0020 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
9736 S10W69 026 0090 Dso 07 06 Beta
9737 S28E13 304 0030 Dso 07 06 Beta
9738 S19E53 264 0060 Dao 08 03 Beta
9739 S13W02 319 0010 Cso 03 03 Beta
9740 S06E56 261 0020 Cso 03 03 Beta
9741 N07E72 245 0010 Bxo 02 03 Beta
9726 S16W76 033 Plage
9730 S12W57 015 Plage
9731 N25W56 013 Plage
9735 N05W74 031 Plage
Regions Due to Return 14 Dec to 16 Dec
Nmbr Lat Lo
9714 S08 195

LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 13 DECEMBER, 2001
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Begin Max End Rgn Loc Xray Op 245MHz 10cm Sweep
0233 0241 0259 9733 N15E20 C4.1 Sf 220
0632 0640 0700 9727 S20W58 M1.8 Sf
1420 1430 1435 9733 N16E09 X6.2 3b 30 1800 II
1439 0000 1630 IV
1514 1515 1521 280
2244 2307 2317 9727 S18W67 M1.4 1f
** End of Daily Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 218 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 14, 2001 (20:36) * 74 lines 
 
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PRELIMINARY DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

14 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based in-part on SEC Data.)
(The final report will be released tommorrow.)

PRELIMINARY SOLAR & GEOPHYSICAL INDICES FOR 14 DECEMBER, 2001
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DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 216.6, 245.8, 245.3 sfu.
Predicted Solar Flux for Next 3 Days: 220, 210, 200.
Average 90-day Solar Flux: 218.
Current Middle Latitude A-Index: 4
Current Boulder K-Indices: 0121 122*
Current Planetary K-Indices: 1101 222*
Boulder A-Index 3-Day Forecast: 15, 25, 15.
Planetary A-Index 3-Day Forecast: 15, 25, 10.

SYNOPSIS OF TODAYS ACTIVITY
--------------------------
Solar activity was at moderate levels. The largest
event was a long duration M4/2n flare from region 9733 (N14W10) at
14/1954 utc. This event may have produced an earth-directed coronal
mass ejection (cme) due to its near central meridian location.
Images from the soho/lasco spacecraft were not available at the time
of this forecast. If an earth-directed, full-halo cme was created by
this flare, its impact on earth would be approximately 40 to 60
hours from the time of origin. Region 9733 continues to maintain its
size and magnetic complexity. Region 9727 (S21W77) also remained
active during the period, producing one M-class flare and several
optical subflares. An M3 flare with an associated type ii radio
sweep (approx. velocity of 707 km/s), and an impressive cme was
observed at 14/0913 utc. The originating source appears to be just
beyond the east limb as loop prominences were visible on the east
limb at N06, from 14/0938 to 1035 utc. The resulting cme is
primarily eastward directed and should not be geoeffective. The
noon penticton 10 cm flux was estimated at 217 sfu as the actual
measurement was enhanced due to the M3/2N flare.
Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to remain
at moderate to high levels. Regions 9727 and 9733 are both capable
of producing major flares. Region 9727 will rotate over the western
limb on 15 december. The region that produced the M3 flare and cme
should rotate onto the disk during the first day of the forecast
period.
The geomagnetic field was quiet.
Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is
expected to be at quiet to unsettled conditions early on the first
day. Active conditions are expected late on the first day and into
the second day. These active conditions will be caused by a glancing
blow from a cme that originated from an X6/3b flare on 13 december.
Conditions should return to quiet to unsettled levels on day three.

Event probabilities 15 dec-17 dec

Class M 80/70/70
Class X 20/15/15
Proton 20/15/15
PCAF yellow

Geomagnetic activity probabilities 15 dec-17 dec
A. Middle Latitudes
Active 30/30/20
Minor storm 20/20/10
Major-severe storm 10/10/01

B. High Latitudes
Active 40/45/25
Minor storm 25/30/15
Major-severe storm 10/10/05
** End of Daily Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 219 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 15, 2001 (18:30) * 1 lines 
 
Shall I continue to post this information? Prehaps in geo 34 where it will not interfere with the discussion John has started here.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 220 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec 16, 2001 (22:50) * 112 lines 
 
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DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

15 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)

SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 15 DECEMBER, 2001
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!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 349, 12/15/01
10.7 FLUX=217.8 90-AVG=218 SSN=198 BKI=3323 3222 BAI=011
BGND-XRAY=C4.1 FLU1=*.*E+** FLU10=*.*E+** PKI=3333 3222 PAI=011
BOU-DEV=***,***,***,***,***,***,***,*** DEV-AVG=*** NT SWF=02:031
XRAY-MAX= C9.5 @ 1253UT XRAY-MIN= C1.5 @ 1935UT XRAY-AVG= C3.0
NEUTN-MAX= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-MIN= +000% @ 0000UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.0%
PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-MIN= +0.0DB @ 0000UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-MIN=00000NT @ 0000UT BOUTF-AVG=00000NT
GOES9-MAX=P:+177NT@ 1717UT GOES9-MIN=N:-015NT@ 0843UT G9-AVG=+100,+26,-02
GOES8-MAX=P:+167NT@ 1823UT GOES8-MIN=E:-036NT@ 0803UT G8-AVG=+101,+03,+19
FLUXFCST=STD:205,195,190;SESC:205,195,190 BAI/PAI-FCST=015,015,010/020,015,010
KFCST=**** **** **** **** 27DAY-AP=007,016 27DAY-KP=2222 2322 3223 3344
WARNINGS=
ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 14 DEC 01 is not available.
The Full Kp Indices for 15 DEC 01 are: 3- 3o 3- 3o 3- 2o 2- 2+
The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 15 DEC 01 are: 12 16 14 16 13 9 7 10
Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 15 DEC is: 2.8E+05
DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 219.7, 217.8, 220.4 sfu.

SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------
Solar activity decreased to low levels. There were two
large, magnetically complex sunspot groups on the visible disk:
region 9727 (S22W88) and region 9733 (N14W23). Region 9727 produced
isolated subflares while crossing the west limb. It retained at
least a moderate degree of magnetic complexity as it rotated out of
view with mixed polarities in its trailer spots. Region 9733
remained the most active region on the disk as it produced
occasional subflares, some of which reached C-class. This region has
showed a gradual decrease in area since 13 december. However,
opposite-polarity magnetic flux has gradually emerged within its
northernmost spots during the last two days where a possible delta
magnetic configuration may reside. The remaining active regions
showed minor changes during the period. New region 9742 (N09E73)
rotated into view during the period.
Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be at
moderate to high levels. Isolated low-level M-class flares are
expected. There will also be a chance for a major flare from region
9733. Region 9727 could also produce a major flare during the first
day of the period as it completes its west limb passage.

Geomagnetic field activity was at quiet to unsettled levels.

Geophysical activity forecast: unsettled to minor storm
conditions may occur on 16 - 17 december due to a possible cme
passage (associated with the X6/3b flare of 13 december). Activity
is expected to decrease to quiet to unsettled levels during the
latter half of the forecast period. There will be a chance for a
proton flare from region 9733.

Event probabilities 16 dec-18 dec

Class M 80/75/75
Class X 20/15/15
Proton 20/15/15
PCAF yellow

Geomagnetic activity probabilities 16 dec-18 dec

A. Middle Latitudes
Active 35/30/25
Minor storm 15/10/05
Major-severe storm 05/01/01

B. High Latitudes
Active 40/35/30
Minor storm 20/15/05
Major-severe storm 10/05/01

COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SEC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
=======================================================
Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 15/2400Z
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Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
9727 S22W88 018 0320 Eai 12 04 Beta-Gamma-Delta
9732 N03W49 339 0050 Hsx 02 01 Alpha
9733 N14W23 313 0430 Eai 15 57 Beta-Gamma-Delta
9734 S14E01 289 0020 Cao 04 05 Beta
9737 S27W12 302 0070 Dao 07 06 Beta
9738 S18E27 263 0060 Eao 13 13 Beta
9739 S13W30 320 0120 Dao 09 16 Beta
9741 N05E43 247 0030 Hrx 01 01 Alpha
9742 N09E73 217 0150 Eao 11 05 Beta
9730 S12W83 015 Plage
9731 N25W82 013 Plage
9740 S06E29 261 Plage
Regions Due to Return 16 Dec to 18 Dec
Nmbr Lat Lo
9712 N12 180
9714 S08 195

LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 15 DECEMBER, 2001
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Begin Max End Rgn Loc Xray Op 245MHz 10cm Sweep
None

** End of Daily Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 221 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 17, 2001 (18:29) * 57 lines 
 
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PRELIMINARY DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

17 DECEMBER, 2001

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(Based in-part on SEC Data.)
(The final report will be released tommorrow.)

PRELIMINARY SOLAR & GEOPHYSICAL INDICES FOR 17 DECEMBER, 2001
-------------------------------------------------------------
DRAO 10.7 cm Solar Flux at 18Z, 20Z, 22Z: 201.3, 205.5, 207.2 sfu.
Predicted Solar Flux for Next 3 Days: 200, 195, 190.
Average 90-day Solar Flux: 214.
Current Middle Latitude A-Index: 11
Current Boulder K-Indices: 1233 333*
Current Planetary K-Indices: 2334 443*
Boulder A-Index 3-Day Forecast: 8, 8, 8.
Planetary A-Index 3-Day Forecast: 8, 8, 8.

SYNOPSIS OF TODAYS ACTIVITY
---------------------------
Solar activity was low. Only isolated, minor C-class
events occurred during the period. Region 9733 (N14E48) continued to
show signs of gradual decay as it nears the west limb. This region
lost its delta configuration and now retains a beta-gamma
classification. Region 9742 (N08E51) is showing signs of increased
magnetic complexity and should develop into a beta-gamma
classification in the next one or two days.
Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be low
to moderate. There is still a slight chance of a major event
occurring from region 9733.
The geomagnetic field was quiet to unsettled with active conditions
occurring at higher latitudes.
Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is
expected to be at quiet to unsettled levels. There is still a slight
chance for a proton flare from region 9733.

Event probabilities 18 dec-20 dec
Class M 75/75/75
Class X 10/10/10
Proton 10/10/10
PCAF green

Geomagnetic activity probabilities 18 dec-20 dec
A. Middle Latitudes
Active 20/20/20
Minor storm 05/05/05
Major-severe storm 01/01/01

B. High Latitudes
Active 25/25/25
Minor storm 10/10/10
Major-severe storm 01/01/01
** End of Daily Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 222 of 235: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Tue, Dec 18, 2001 (18:43) * 14 lines 
 
Hi All

Just making the rounds to other sites - HF was in good shape
a couple of days ago although talking to a ham about conditions
gave me the impression we are past the solar max which is great
for dxing below 6mhz. Im going to do some band surfing tonite
with ye olde R390A so a signal report will come later.

Hi Marci! I do wander over to other topics!

73 de Mike
AA9IL
Currently testing down converter assemblies on 24 ghz and building
the proof of concept transverter for prototyping purposes.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 223 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 19, 2001 (22:27) * 5 lines 
 
Looking forward to reports of our success with the R390A (*sigh*).

24 ghz??? Wow!

Holiday hugs! Have you gotten any snow yet, or is it only Hawaii and Greece with seasonal white stuff on the ground?


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 224 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (17:47) * 21 lines 
 
Space Weather News for Dec. 26, 2001
http://www.spaceweather.com

GEOMAGNETIC STORM WARNING: An explosion on the Sun today triggered a
solar proton storm around our planet and hurled a bright coronal mass
ejection (CME) into space. Although the fast-moving (~1100 km/s) CME was
not squarely Earth-directed, it could deliver a glancing blow to Earth's
magnetosphere as early as Dec. 28th Universal Time -- that is, Thursday
night for North Americans, Friday morning for Europeans. NOAA forecasters
estimate a 10% chance of severe geomagnetic storms at middle latitudes
when the expanding cloud sweeps past Earth. Sky watchers along the
northern tier of US states (and similar latitudes) should be alert for
auroras during the nights ahead.

THE MOON AND SATURN: If you find yourself outdoors aurora watching before
dawn on Friday morning, look also for a close encounter between the
nearly-full Moon and Saturn. The Moon will completely hide the ringed
planet from observers in North America. Visit SpaceWeather.com for
details.

http://www.spaceweather.com


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 225 of 235: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Thu, Dec 27, 2001 (03:09) * 9 lines 
 
This is also from http://www.spaceweather.com.



The snow on this picture is due to a brief solar radiation storm on Dec. 26th.
Image credit: SOHO Extreme UV Telescope.

John



 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 226 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 27, 2001 (14:13) * 1 lines 
 
I noted that photo when I accessed the URL you cite, John. I have not seen the sun looking quite so wounded - in a very long time - as it does in that image you posted. The ionosphere is still working to protect and entertain us with the brilliant Aurora. Those, that is, who are fortunate enough to live where it can be seen. John and I live too close to the equator, but I have seen it at his latitude...


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 227 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 27, 2001 (16:13) * 64 lines 
 
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MIDDLE LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY WATCH

ISSUED: 17:25 UTC, 27 DECEMBER 2001

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VALID BEGINNING AT: 00:00 UTC ON 28 DECEMBER (7 pm EST on 27 December)
VALID UNTIL: 19:00 UTC (2 pm EDT) ON 29 DECEMBER

HIGH RISK PERIOD: 28 DECEMBER (UTC DAYS)
MODERATE RISK PERIOD: 28 - 29 DECEMBER

PREDICTED ACTIVITY INDICES: 10, 30, 15, 10 (27 DEC - 30 DEC)

POTENTIAL MAGNITUDE OF MIDDLE LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY: MODERATE

POTENTIAL DURATION OF THIS ACTIVITY: MAIN BELT = 12 TO 18 HOURS
MINOR BELT = 18 TO 24 HOURS

ESTIMATED OPTIMUM OBSERVING CONDITIONS: NEAR LOCAL MIDNIGHT

EXPECTED LUNAR INTERFERENCE: HIGH

OVERALL OPPORTUNITY FOR OBSERVATIONS FROM MIDDLE LATITUDES: FAIR - POOR

AURORAL ACTIVITY *MAY* BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE FROM...

NORTHERN WASHINGTON STATE TO MONTANA TO NORTHERN SOUTH DAKOTA TO CENTRAL
MINNESOTA TO CENTRAL WISCONSIN TO MICHIGAN TO DARK SKY SITES OF NEW YORK
STATE, VERMONT, NEW HAMPSHIRE AND SOUTHERN MAINE.

ACTIVITY *MAY* ALSO BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE FROM...

NORTHERN UNITED KINGDOM TO EXTREME NORTHERN NETHERLANDS TO EXTREME
NORTHERN GERMANY TO EXTREME NORTHERN POLAND TO NORTHERN LITHUANIA TO
LATVIA TO NORTHERN RUSSIA. SOUTHERN REGIONS OF NEW ZEALAND MAY ALSO SPOT
PERIODS OF ACTIVITY.

SYNOPSIS...

A major class M7.1/1B solar proton flare was observed on 26 December. An
associated fairly high velocity partial halo (slightly Earthward directed)
coronal mass ejection was associated with this event. The CME is expected to
impact the earth sometime on 28 December (our preferred impact time is
estimated near 08:00 UTC on 28 December, or 3 am EST). There is a chance for
periods of minor auroral storming, however the phase of the moon will limit
the visibility of auroral activity over the middle latitude regions.
Nevertheless, activity may at times, become strong enough to overcome the
brightness of the moon. Observers should keep an eye out for possible
activity during the local evening hours of 27 and 28 December.

This watch will remain in effect until 19:00 UTC (2 pm EST) on 29
December. It will then be updated or allowed to expire. For updated
information, visit: http://www.spacew.com/aurora/forum.html

PLEASE REPORT OBSERVATIONS OF AURORAL ACTIVITY TO:
http://solar.spacew.com/www/auroras.html



** End of Watch **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 228 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 27, 2001 (19:42) * 26 lines 
 

SUMMARY OF GROUND-BASED AURORAL ACTIVITY SIGHTINGS
--------------------------------------------------

(Sightings are preliminary and may be unverified)

1030 UTC - (N43.10 W089.30) - Madison Wisconsin
Comments: I'm a meteorologist at the local CBS affiliateand as I
was driving into work at 4 AM I noticed
steaks of white light in the western sky (2 other co-workers
noticed the same thing). My first
instinct was they were large spot lights from
a car dealer's promotional campaign or else
cirrus clouds reflecting "moon light". As I got
out of my car when I arrived at the tv station,
I noticed several vertical, thin "rods" of colored light. The
colors were not brilliant, but were
definitely different, ranging from from
red to purple to blue. After 14 years in Wisconsin
as a meteorologist this was only the 2nd time I
witnessed the northern lights. The first time
there were no colors, but fascinating pulsations.
It was great to see the different colors of the
northern lights one often sees in photographs.

** End of Aurora Report **


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 229 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 31, 2001 (17:48) * 95 lines 
 
A s t r o A l e r t
Sun-Earth Alert

Solar Terrestrial Dispatch
http://www.spacew.com

30 December 2001

AURORA WARNING FOR MIDDLE LATITUDES
SOLAR FLARE ENERGIES COMPARED WITH GEOPHYSICAL PHENOMENA


AURORA WARNING FOR MIDDLE LATITUDES

A middle latitude auroral activity warning has been issued for the
middle latitude regions. A fairly strong interplanetary disturbance impacted
the Earth's magnetosphere around 20:10 UTC on 30 December (3:10 pm EST) and
has the potential to intensify levels of auroral activity to sporadic minor
storm levels. Activity may be observed despite the near-full phase of the
moon. The source of this disturbance is uncertain, but may be a manifestation
of the large and high velocity coronal mass ejection that was observed
following the major class X3 solar flare of 28 December from behind the east
limb of the Sun.

Observers interested in watching for auroral activity are encouraged to
pay attention to conditions watch the skies tonight. Regularly updated
current conditions and discussions of activity are available at:
http://www.spacew.com/aurora/forum.html

Anyone who observes activity are encouraged to report observations to
the Global Auroral Activity Observation Network, available at:
http://www.spacew.com/www/subaurora.html.

Observations reported to the network are automatically and immediately
disseminated (within 1 or 2 minutes) to observers world-wide via e-mail,
digital SMS (http://www.spacew.com/sms), and on the web at:
http://www.spacew.com/aurora.html. They are also used by space weather
forecasters and professionals engaged in research.


SOLAR FLARE ENERGIES COMPARED WITH GEOPHYSICAL PHENOMENA

The last AstroAlert compared the energy of the 28 December major solar
flare with a system of measuring flare intensities in the integrated light of
x-rays. This has been a bit hard for many people to put into perspective. We
would like to help clarify things by relating the energy released by the
flare in a more 'down-to-Earth' way.

Before we elaborate, please note that the entire energy released by the
solar flare of 28 December can only be very roughly estimated. There are
whole host of parameters that must be taken into consideration - heating by
various mechanisms, mass motions and many other parameters that can only
crudely be estimated at the present time. Therefore, take the following
numbers with a grain of salt. The values presented below are only intended to
help illustrate the energy that is released by a solar flare in terms that we
can comprehend. The actual value of this particular event may differ
substantially. But as you will see, the numbers are so large, it really
doesn't matter.

Let us suppose the energy released by the solar flare of 28 December
was somewhere near 4 x 10^24 Joules (which should be somewhat reasonable).

In order to produce that much energy release at one time, you would need
to explode around 73,000,000,000 (that's 73 BILLION) Hiroshima sized nuclear
bombs.

The largest Earthquake we are aware of was a magnitude 9.5 earthquake in
Chile in 1960. If the energy of the solar flare of 28 December was released
in the form of an earthquake, it would have produced an unfathomable
earthquake measured on the Richter scale as a magnitude 13.2 event.

Now, to help put this into perspective, a magnitude 13.2 earthquake is
around 5,000 TIMES more powerful than a magnitude 9.5 earthquake. Imagine the
damage an earthquake only TWICE as large as the Chilean event would have
produced. An earthquake 5,000 times more powerful is truly hard to imagine.

The entire energy demands of the U.S. could be satisfied for more than
40,000 years if the energy released by the 28 December solar flare could have
been utilized.

It would take the combined energy released by approximately 4 BILLION
hurricanes to match the energy released by the solar flare.

You could place around 400 BILLION space shuttles into orbit if you had
the energy of the 28 December solar flare.

Again, these are VERY rough estimates that could be significantly in
error and are based on incomplete and unconfirmed models of solar flare
energy release. Nevertheless, they bring into perspective the awe and true
power of major solar flares.

** End of the AstroAlert Bulletin **
==================================================================
AstroAlert is a free service of SKY & TELESCOPE magazine, 49 Bay
State Rd., Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 230 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  2, 2002 (18:06) * 40 lines 
 
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POTENTIAL MAJOR SOLAR FLARE WARNING

ISSUED: 19:00 UTC, 02 JANUARY 2002

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SYNOPSIS:

Active sunspot Region 9767 contains a large neutral-line filament that
has been extraordinarily active over the last 24 hours. There have been
numerous subflares and one M-class flare today that involved this active
filament (and a concurrent event in Region 9754). Although Region 9767 itself
is modestly large, only the trailer portion of the spot group appears to have
moderate to strong magnetic complexity. There appear to be some areas of high
magnetic gradients and there are undoubtably some levels of at least moderate
magnetic shear present. This active region probably wouldn't be considered
capable of producing significant X-class flare activity except for the fact
that it appears to have been responsible for the powerful X-class flare of 28
December. However, it may have suffered decay prior to its rotating into
view. Nevertheless, the thought that this region was probably responsible for
the X-class flare of 28 December lends more significant weight to its flare
potential.

Given these factors and the recent observations of significant
neutral-line filament motions raises concerns that another major M or X-class
solar flare (possibly a proton-bearing event) may soon erupt from this active
region. The spot complex is now located near E40 and is becoming increasingly
capable of producing prompt increases in high-energy proton densities in the
near-Earth space environment. Coronal mass ejections from this spot complex
will also have a much higher probability of impacting the Earth as time
passes during the next several days.

We believe there is a notable probability of a significant major solar
flare from Region 9767 over the next 24 to 72 hours, particularly if the
instabilities evident persist.


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 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 231 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jan  4, 2002 (18:31) * 20 lines 
 
GEOPHYSICS, SEISMOLOGY, & VOLCANOLOGY
* Earth Stretched by Seasonal Water Movement
* New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1812 Triggered Other Quakes in
Midwest; Midwestern Risk May Be Greater Than Thought
* Study May Solve Old Mystery, Better Define Seismic Hazard From
Thrust Faults in Los Angeles Area
* Ancient Civilizations Shaken by Quakes, Say Scientists
* Cluster Tunes Into Earth's Frequency, Pinpoints Location of
Auroral Radio Emissions
* Understanding Why Sound Waves Travel Faster Along Earth's Axis in
the Inner Core
* Ball Lightning Scientists Remain in The Dark
* Wandering Hot Spots Worry Geologists
* Analysis of 1883 Eruption of Krakatau Provides Information on
Assessing Volcanic Hazards in Coastal Areas
References
1. http://www.sciquest.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/sci_level3.d2w/report?nav_banner=bio&resource=articles&gateway=S-geophy





 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 232 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 10, 2002 (14:49) * 64 lines 
 
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MIDDLE LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY WARNING

ISSUED: 18:15 UTC, 10 JANUARY 2002

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*** POTENTIAL FOR MODERATE ACTIVITY EXISTS ***


VALID BEGINNING AT: EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY (1:15 pm EST on 10 January)
VALID UNTIL: 19:00 UTC ON 11 JANUARY

HIGH RISK PERIOD: 10 - 11 JANUARY (UTC DAYS)
MODERATE RISK PERIOD: 10 - 11 JANUARY

PREDICTED ACTIVITY INDICES: 30, 20, 25, 20 (10 JANUARY - 02 JANUARY)

POTENTIAL MAGNITUDE OF MIDDLE LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY: MODERATE

POTENTIAL DURATION OF THIS ACTIVITY: MAIN BELT = 12 TO 18 HOURS
MINOR BELT = 18 TO 24 HOURS

ESTIMATED OPTIMUM OBSERVING CONDITIONS: NEAR LOCAL MIDNIGHT

EXPECTED LUNAR INTERFERENCE: NONE

OVERALL OPPORTUNITY FOR OBSERVATIONS FROM MIDDLE LATITUDES: FAIR TO GOOD

AURORAL ACTIVITY *MAY* BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE FROM...

NORTHERN WASHINGTON STATE TO MONTANA TO NORTHERN SOUTH DAKOTA TO CENTRAL
MINNESOTA TO CENTRAL WISCONSIN TO MICHIGAN TO DARK SKY SITES OF NEW YORK
STATE, VERMONT, NEW HAMPSHIRE AND SOUTHERN MAINE.

ACTIVITY *MAY* ALSO BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE FROM...

NORTHERN UNITED KINGDOM TO EXTREME NORTHERN NETHERLANDS TO EXTREME
NORTHERN GERMANY TO EXTREME NORTHERN POLAND TO NORTHERN LITHUANIA TO
LATVIA TO NORTHERN RUSSIA. SOUTHERN REGIONS OF NEW ZEALAND MAY ALSO SPOT
PERIODS OF ACTIVITY.


SYNOPSIS...

A moderately strong interplanetary shock impacted the Earth near 15:45
UTC. Evidence of the approach of a high velocity solar wind stream emanating
from a well placed solar coronal hole has complicated the signature of the
event. At the time of this writing, conditions are favorable for the
development of intensified auroral substorm activity. Conditions may become
favorable for more wide-spread observations of auroral activity, particularly
over Europe, during the next 12 to 18 hours. The near new phase of the moon
will contribute significantly to the possibility of viewing activity from
dark middle latitude sites.

This warning will remain in effect until 19:00 UTC on 11 January. It
will then be updated or allowed to expire.

Please note that another disturbance may impact the Earth on 12 January,
related to yesterdays major M-class solar flare.

PLEASE REPORT OBSERVATIONS OF AURORAL ACTIVITY TO:
http://solar.spacew.com/www/auroras.html


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 233 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb  2, 2002 (17:38) * 1 lines 
 
The Earth's magnetosphere is currently quiet. Gaia is sleeping!


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 234 of 235: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jul 18, 2002 (14:30) * 1 lines 
 
testing.


 Topic 27 of 92 [Geo]: Geomagnetism
 Response 235 of 235: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jul 18, 2002 (23:59) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks Terry. I sxee the ones you posted in now! Maybe they just needed toget the cobwebs out. That still does not explain the absence of 17 and 15...

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